Still motivated in your day job?

Sitting here in my office - something just clicked..... maybe I am in an *unusual* workplace :eek::confused:

Amongst my staff, one seems to be always on the phone with his tenants/PM's/VCAT, one was doing a 6 unit subdiv (he took a package and went to spend more time on it), another was building and selling, as well as diong renos..... others are trading shares....

So when someone walks in with a section 32 on a Monday morning, it's a case of we all sit around and take it apart, discuss tactics for the offer etc....


Cheers,

The Y-man
How do I apply for a job in this place? :p
 
Maybe find a job that you're passionate about?

That sounds great... in theory! I work in an industry I'm passionate about but I'm not passionate about my JOB. There are so many more positive things I could be doing if it weren't for my (and the bank's!) requirements for cashflow. The reality for me is that a job is a big drag - I can feel my interest and engagement ebbing away almost daily. I have tried changing jobs to "get back my mojo" but it ain't happening, regardless of where I sit in this industry. I am on a slippery slope to exit stage left ASAP. I just want to spend my time with my kids and doing things of real value - not this muck I have to feign interest in every day.

Sorry if that sounds depressing - this thread just suits my mood today! :eek: I am determined to get to the point where I can exit this rat race. My main stumbling block to date has been myself - I am equally determined not to let that keep happening.

I don't know when i will be able to make the exit - I haven't set any date. I might be able to do it now but my innate financial conservatism won't let me go near that idea with my sense of responsibility for a young family. And so I wait and keep grinding away - I imagine I will know when I get there... everyone says the power of compounding should be kicking in soon!
 
No I didn't. No point really. Nothing left to prove. As I said....bit of an anti-climax after building up to it for 15 odd years.


http://www.somersoft.com/forums/showpost.php?p=521458&postcount=13

Hey...you still meet up with the old guys down the end of the street...? They still put you in your place being newly retired...?

I'm sure that was your early experiences retired....made me laugh....

Still, it's better cause you can walk away from them any time suits you....

Your retirement story is very inspiring....
 
OK. I think I get it.

When you finally pulled the pin, did you then let the cat out of the bag?

Stick it to them, so to speak :D. I sure hope so!

Hi Wylie,

My thoughts are "why burn bridges"? I hold no personal grudge against anyone at work - even if they are a bit of a dodo (with the exception of those who have committed a crime) - they are a product of the organisations and/or society. You never know where that connection may come in handy one day.

Cheers,

The Y-man
 
Lou, I'm with you to an extent, in the early stages of my career and needing the income for cashflow. In fact, I got a kid coming into the family very soon.

Personally, I find a day job really gets in the way of managing a reno on an IP. Luckily, depending on how one sees it, I had been given notice of my redundancy and so in the last 6 wks of employment with my previous company, I took 5 days of sick leave over those wks and worked on the IP to get it rental ready. My manager did not bother to follow up with me on those frequent sick leaves.

I do enjoy my work and the industry that it represents, but can also connect with many here who view that a day job is not the way to go long term. When the day comes and we can live off the passive income stream, I think I would still like to work in my day job in a part-time or consulting capacity, where I have more control over my time.

After all, that is one of the main goals of property investing; to have more control over our lives.

Regards
Daniel
 
A couple of months ago my supervisor asked all of us if we wanted to have extra income tax deducted from our pays. I took him up on it, and filled out the form.He came back a few minutes later and said I made a mistake, with a smirk on his face. I smiled and said no, I want all of my pay to go to income tax.
Told him we have so many property rentals, I need it to go towards my tax bill. Also told him I plan on quitting next year too.
My monthly take home pay is only 7.5% of our monthly gross rental.
I'm giving myself a year to live without my paycheque, as a test.

Our last property we bought this year had a house which came with 4 free mobile homes. The rent from those mobiles replace my paycheque, even at their pathetic low rent. Just waiting for the chance to raise the rent. :)
 
My day job now is looking after the little one so love every moment of it.

Once whilst sitting around the staff room table where I worked as a pt handy person 2 days a week, one of the managers asked me "what would I do if I found out I had a million dollars" without thinking I replied "net equity or passive income" and the secret was out.
 
Hi Wylie,

My thoughts are "why burn bridges"? I hold no personal grudge against anyone at work - even if they are a bit of a dodo (with the exception of those who have committed a crime) - they are a product of the organisations and/or society. You never know where that connection may come in handy one day.

Cheers,

The Y-man

I suppose I may have used my words rather rashly. I wasn't really meaning "stick it to them" but rather "let them know you no longer have time for this job as you have to manage your extensive real estate holdings".:D

My hubby has had a job that up until the past year has been really enjoyable. Things just got so busy progressively over the past year that he has decided to take 11 months off (LSL and holidays).

He is schlepping around home, sleeping in, and we are having brekkies up the road at the local restaurant and enjoying doing things that we have not had time to do together on a week day.

At 50, he can decide to go back to work or not, but we have a long time to decide.
 
I quite enjoy my job, but that is mostly because I work with good people. An added bonus is that I am quite well paid.

I figure I probably have 10 or so years to go working, and that at the end of that time will likely do a semi-retirement thing, where I do consulting work in blocks of a couple of months, then head off and travel a bit, or take something else on, then later come back and do some more consulting work. I've gone to a lot of effort to become qualified and 'known' in a fairly specialised part of my industry, and so keeping my hand in and maintaining professional contacts is a good idea, I think.

Of course, once I get to a point where I REALLY don't need to work, things may change. But by then I'll be one of those rare and extremely fortunate humans who can make work work choices purely out of selfish desire.
 
Still motivated in your day job?

Its timely, this thread

For a few years now I have been overlooked for promotion because i'm not in the inner *purple circle* It used to get me down and very angry. I have been trying to get out and start somewhere new so I can earn more and be treated better. At least the people in my immediate team and my supervisor are good people. We all get along well.


The other reason I havent been happy is because i've been doing the same job for the past 5years and its very repetitive. I dont get to use my brain much. I need a challenge, I need the stimulation.


But in the past 6 months I have realised something!! It wouldn't be the worst thing to happen to me if I had to stay in the job for a while longer if I am not successful winning another job. At least I have the respect and appreciation of my immediate team members. I've been going for interviews. Have'nt been successful yet.


I'm looking at the positives:

1. I get my challenge fix from stimulating my brain after hours with my property investing. It helps because im not getting that in my day job.

2. My job is not very demanding and is not mentally taxing. Helps because in my spare time I push myself.

3. As a few others here have mentioned. You need the payg money for serviceability so its just a means to an end. I just keep reminding myself of that!! :)

4. In time when I can afford to I will go to 80%, then part time, then job share.

5. Investing in property gives me the confidence and motivation im not getting in my current job. The managers treat the people in my team like s***. She treats a lot of people like that. Nasty piece of work


I stuck around in my job so that I could win my permanent level 2 position in January. I have secured that now, so I can look elsewhere!! :)
 
I quit my day job a bit over 3 years ago now. We live like paupers to some extent (tuna and Gippsland?) but I'm happier and healthier than I've ever been.

I quit because I was bored - wanted to work parttime (at the time I had a 4yo) but was never allowed any 'real' work as a parttimer, and only one project at a a time because I 'didn't have the time to devote to it'. While the fulltimers, working 2 extra days a week, got 3 or 4 projects because THEY had the time.

Blah. Probably should have just changed jobs but it'll even out eventually.
 
when I can afford to I will go to 80%, then part time, then job share.


Hi Kim,


Don't pin your hopes on this method of withdrawl. It requires the consent of your supervisor / employer organisation, which they are unlikely to agree to.


It may be great for you to take 1 or even 2 days a week off, and you may be able to afford it, and wish to do it to pursue other activites - including your wealth activities. However, none of that means diddly squat to your employer.


All they will hear is someone who is not fully committed to their business objectives, and ants to disrupt the plans they have for you. It also disrupts other workers, especially if you have others reporting to you.


Not many organisations like this, and would prefer to get rid of you completely and start with a newby who is pliable and 100% willing to do whatever it takes to please them.


This leads to the very sticky situation where you can afford to take off say 1 or 2 days a week.....but still need the income from the other 3 days. The organisation can smell that a mile away and responds with "Either in or out, committed or not to our cause, 5 days a week or nothing.....what's it gonna be." Many people struggle at that point, especially if they had their heart set on easing off gradually.


All I'm saying is, think it right the way through before you approach your employer with a "I want to back off a bit" request. It can go downhill really quickly, especially as you are upsetting the established "control and power" status quo.
 
Hi All

Long post coming, not spell checkled etc. but hey it's the internet.

I have come full circle, I quit work 5 years ago, 1st year was great did nothing just managed the properties for a while, then did some developments.

Gave all the properties to property managers and told them I don't want to know about it, if it breaks fix it, if it needs a new tenant get one, if there is a bill to pay, pay it.
then bought a business spent 6 months getting it running smoothly and then left it running under management, great income earner no mental stimulation at all. Buying another business spent 6 months learning about it all, licensing etc. etc. set it up to run under management.look at ways to expand etc.. I run very vertically though, with a manager for each area of the business and delegate well so that it takes a lot of my time for a while and then not once you have the topic under control so to speak it is the manager's job not yours. So as long as the figures are working the brain is not, well not at a high level anyway. Stimulating for a while but the brain gets to a certain level when it needs more stimulation. It's lots of numbers and all that sort of stuff but It is the research in the initial stages I find more excting and stimualting. Could I go on collecting businesses like property, maybe but you will get to a stage of having too many managers and having to employ someone for the managers to answer to so that you can look at more growth. Each one is stimulating in the early stages but I reckon you've got a good 2 years from purchase of one till you are ready to fund the next one so an unstimulated bit in the middle.

So although busy at the moment have decided am going to do a doctorate at uni full time for the next 3 years looking at specialising in business structing, trusts, bloodline trust, joint venture commercial type law is the goal anyway. I would have never ever dreamt of anything like that 10 years ago, the idea at the time of being stuck inside an office would have driven me crazy. Now I find all this stuff really interesting and am looking forward to cleaning out the cobwebs.

I am glad I gave up work but the visions I had of just hanging out with the kids and doing the property thing has completely changed. Don't get me wrong I have a great, life, it is stressful at times with the businesses but they are not mentally consuming enough to keep the old brain going. Also I wouldn't sack the manager(s) and have to deal with the day to day crap and staff issues that they do. I treat it as though only my managers are my employees, the rest are the staff are their employees, they need them to reach their goals and It is their job to work out the best way to get there.

So I guess what I am saying, in a vary rambling sort of way is that having the vision that you are going to retire is great, not having to work is outstanding, but there may be a time when you need to do something again for fullfilment/brain stimulation etc. I would love to be content just sticking where I am at. It is also porbably to do with the sixze of my financial capacity, I get a good income and don't have to work yes, but don't have enough to do bigger developments, estates etc that would be more challenging then the townhouses or low rise unit thing.

I have young kids and spend heaps of time with them, way more than anyone else I know. I really do love the freedom that property has given me but when I quit work I would have never thought I would have needed to pursue something else. While working for someone else my whole focus on the property thing was being able to quit. And again I am not saying it's bad, it is 1000 times better then having to work for someone else, I am just saying that beware that doing the property thing might not be fulfilling enough. If it is for you excellent, unfortunately I have a very short attention span. Good luck and hold on to your dreams.
 
Not many organisations like this

You've described my workplace to the letter....

Am I motivated in my day job? No, not really. Is it frustrating as, you bet - pretty much echo TPFKAD's sentiments earlier in this thread.
Will I hold my nerve & persist? Of course, the rewards are there to do so BUT I'm never going to lose sight of the big picture :)
 
Don't pin your hopes on this method of withdrawl.

I'll second that - even with all the right "family friendly" "flexible workplaces" the result seems to be the same. With a young family I reckon working three days a week would be perfect but no way - need to be a team player doncha know... In other words, be like everyone else!

Also, it does terrible things to your serviceability! Given you may want to maximise your lines of credit before making the big leap, this makes it kinda difficult...
 
Hi Kim,


Don't pin your hopes on this method of withdrawl. It requires the consent of your supervisor / employer organisation, which they are unlikely to agree to.


It may be great for you to take 1 or even 2 days a week off, and you may be able to afford it, and wish to do it to pursue other activites - including your wealth activities. However, none of that means diddly squat to your employer.


All they will hear is someone who is not fully committed to their business objectives, and ants to disrupt the plans they have for you. It also disrupts other workers, especially if you have others reporting to you.


Not many organisations like this, and would prefer to get rid of you completely and start with a newby who is pliable and 100% willing to do whatever it takes to please them.


This leads to the very sticky situation where you can afford to take off say 1 or 2 days a week.....but still need the income from the other 3 days. The organisation can smell that a mile away and responds with "Either in or out, committed or not to our cause, 5 days a week or nothing.....what's it gonna be." Many people struggle at that point, especially if they had their heart set on easing off gradually.


All I'm saying is, think it right the way through before you approach your employer with a "I want to back off a bit" request. It can go downhill really quickly, especially as you are upsetting the established "control and power" status quo.

hiya

yeah i agree. in my job i dont think I would be allowed to work 80%. I was thinking along the lines of applying for other part time positions in the future, or job share 3 days one week, 2 days the next kinda job that you can get in the public service. Theres a special section in the jobs.wa site

In the mean time, i'm enjoying a day off every fortnight as an rdo. Will have some lovely long service leave coming up end of next year too :)
 
I love my day job. At least my new day job.
Allows me to travel the country with hubby and the dog (and really see the country by mountain bike, kayak or foot).
Hardest part at the moment is deciding where to base ourselves.
I get to bring a lot of enjoyment, fitness and increased health to a variety of people.
I've managed to find some great mentors who in many ways make all the difference.
I get along well with some of my companies major competitors - we're working together to build our industry/sport.
Oh and it gives me a good chance to check out property in most of Australia.

I hated the one I finished on 25th August. We had our first event yesterday (30th August) in Sydney. Lots of smiles on our faces, the competitors faces, and a lot of spectators ready to come out to our next event to actually give it a try.
:D
I knew I wouldn't make it in my day job long enough for the PI to take effect, so created a day job I loved which will let me keep going with PI as well.

Also understand the don't tell them what you did on the weekend. Despite previous job being for an investing/fund management company, felt almost discouraged from actually doing my own investing.
 
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