Torrenting Possible Fines

http://www.news.com.au/technology/o...-buyers-club-llc/story-fnjwneld-1227295177465

What do people think about all of this?

Luckily I'm not with iinet because although I didn't download the movie, I supply internet to lots of student accommodation places where I bet someone probably downloaded the movie.

I get breach notices for copyright infringement all the time because of tenants torrenting movies & tv shows. And of course I'm the account holder for that IP so all infringement notices come my way. I pass on the msg to all tenants at that address but there's not much more I can do.

I'm wondering what it would mean if they do try and pursue me in the future for copyright infringement. Surely they would need to know which device the content was dowloaded to and be able to prove which user was using that device.

For example I have an IP next door so I let them use my internet as well. Including our boarders there are 8 other people using my home network alone. So I'm the account holder, the content was downloaded at my address, but hey it could have been 8 other tenants...

Anyway I've just signed up to Netflix in order to get content legally-ish. Because Netflix australia is so poor I use Hola to make netflix think I'm from the USA so I can access 7 times the amount of content. It's still breaking the rules, but the worst that could happen is Netflix will ban me.

I really don't think many Australians enjoy having to illegally download a lot of content, and most would be more than happy to pay for a service that provides them with the content. Unfortunately much of the content provided in the USA simply isn't provided to Australians. Or it's very delayed.

It's really a problem of the distributors making, they've created an addictive product where people are desperate to see the next episode and find out what happens next. However they then expect people to wait 6 months for the next episode when they could literally within 30 mins download the most up to date episode online by pressing a button.

It's simple human psychology. Most people when given that scenario will push the button that gives them instant gratification rather than choosing to delay their addiction for half a year.

I know pointing out the need to have same time global distribution probably sounds like just an excuse. But it's more than that. It's an effective way forward for addressing the issue and meeting the consumer half way. The old free to air model is simply out of date for a tech savy new generation.

What do peole think about the whole thing?
 
I wonder if you didn't seed them but you just downloaded it if you could prove you purchased the DVD if the fines would still apply. My wife used to download shows from America as they air earlier and than ends up buying them on blu ray when they come out in Australia.
 
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I'm wondering what it would mean if they do try and pursue me in the future for copyright infringement. Surely they would need to know which device the content was dowloaded to and be able to prove which user was using that device.

You would have to defend yourself or pay what they are asking. you may have a good defense I imagine it could be very costly for you to prove this. I would be very worried about this - students generally have no money for you to recover from.
 
I wonder if you didn't seed them but you just downloaded it if you could prove you purchased the DVD if the fines would still apply. My wife used to download shows from America as they air earlier and than ends up buying them on blu ray when they come out in Australia.

The various reports have been very clear. They're not coming after people who download copyrighted material, they're after people who distribute that material.

Most torrenting applications share the files as they download them, so if you're torrenting, you're also guilty of distribution. Legitimate ownership of that material won't absolve you.

No big deal
 
You would have to defend yourself or pay what they are asking. you may have a good defense I imagine it could be very costly for you to prove this. I would be very worried about this - students generally have no money for you to recover from.

Most people soil themselves when they receive a 'legal letter'. Most lawyer's clients give up after a couple of 'legal letters'.
 
You would have to defend yourself or pay what they are asking. you may have a good defense I imagine it could be very costly for you to prove this. I would be very worried about this - students generally have no money for you to recover from.

Seems strange that simply having the IP address for a residence is enough to take you to court and make you pay lawyers to defend you.

It's like a murder occuring at your house, and although there were 10 people in total present for the murder, the police just charge the owner of the house because it happened at that particular house and the owner then has to pay thousands to prove that it wasn't him.
 
its those who have seeded the files are in trouble as they are sharing the file

Those who downloaded it and did not seed it, should be alright
 
Seems strange that simply having the IP address for a residence is enough to take you to court and make you pay lawyers to defend you.

It's like a murder occuring at your house, and although there were 10 people in total present for the murder, the police just charge the owner of the house because it happened at that particular house and the owner then has to pay thousands to prove that it wasn't him.

But you are comparing a civil matter to a criminal matter. You can sue anyone for anything - or at least commence proceedings.
 
"A friend of mine" uses torrent software where both the upload and download speeds can be throttled. So "he" downloads at ~400kb/s (leaving bandwidth for the rest of the household), and uploads at 5kb/s. There is still some upload leakage, but typically < 1% of the downloaded data. I don't think "he" can turn off the upload completely, so you are right, IMO.
 
But can you download without seeding?
Yes (plenty of torrent apps enable this), but then you are a leecher (good pirate etiquette to upload as well).

Maybe in the future most of the seeding will be from "safe" countries (e.g. Switzerland where there is no law against it). When I lived there I could safely download stuff if I wanted to (although didnt that much). The crime was actually the ISPs that monitored and told anyone else about it. Your IP address is your protected personal information, much like your bank accounts there.

In Spain now I dont download stuff but the I believe the law is in your favor here also.
US and UK much more risky, maybe Australia now also.
 
For example I have an IP next door so I let them use my internet as well. Including our boarders there are 8 other people using my home network alone. So I'm the account holder, the content was downloaded at my address, but hey it could have been 8 other tenants..

Just make sure they're not downloading kiddie porn or else you'll be in real trouble. Downloading torrents seems more like a civil matter but not kiddie porn.
 
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