Why is there so much nastiness around
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Doesnt happen much. 6 foot 5 and 105kg helps.
I come with the opposite spirit. It usually silences the perpatraitor of rudeness.
If I see someone being bullied, well thats like a red flag to a bull
But Colin, you don't look that BIG...
Lizzie, there is a slew or articles about rudeness and grumpiness in old people.
http://www.psychologicalscience.org/onlyhuman/2007/10/neurology-of-grumpiness.cfm
As people get older, their pre-frontal lobe shrinks (happens to men much faster than it does to women). The pre-frontal lobe involves executive function such as thinking before you speak and self-control. That's why a lot of old people sound rude--they say whatever they think without filtering. Apparently it leads to depression as well, which is unfortunate.
Someone called Ruben Gur has a theory that ,once men have fulfilled their biological requirement to procreate, they're not needed but women have to stick around to look after their offspring. Women's brains are very different to men's. Our language centre is much bigger, that's why we can talk more, lol.
Is it just me - or does them seem to be an increase in general nastiness occurring in recent years ... and why?
(a) this is a result of 'social media', the 'spontaneous', the 'trial by media', the 'lack of a common uniform social binding content'.
(b) Many people are feeling 'less safe', they can feel it, the times of change are upon Australia, 'Winter is Coming'.
(c) Human beings need a higher calling, a socially, moral, and individual acceptable 'sacrifice for the common good'. With the break down in religion, what is the sociable alternative. Its not communism and socialism, been there and done that in the 20th century.
I am probably going to get flamed on this. But that's Ok.
I am partially autistic, but its also been a blessing in some ways. Although I cant communicate certain things effectively, I can see patterns. Its why I like investing, I have the comfort of being able to 'place things into a probability matrix'.
For investing purposes it works out well.
In my humble opinion, we have been in this period before in human times. It resembles (but does not exactly replicate), the Roman times.
Give candy to the masses to distract them. The greater this 'candy' period lasts, the less structurally sound will be the future.
Why is the 1% continuing to amass fortune at an ever increasing rate????
But how can we determine that people are getting very nasty today as opposed to x years ago. Who really knows, anyone keeping tabs on this?
We form an opinion by our experience and it will vary. More important is how you deal with certain behaviour, there will always be someone that pisses you off, but will you bite, how you manage this will possibly make the difference
We form an opinion by our experience and it will vary. More important is how you deal with certain behaviour, there will always be someone that pisses you off, but will you bite, how you manage this will possibly make the difference
Its basic animal human nature to snap back when you are surrounded by attackers, stealing your freedom.
Every day we are faced with being told you cant do this, you cant say that.
This day and age of instant media delivery and the very fact that media is now mainly composed of biased narrative rather than good old fashioned journalism reporting the news as it happened, is exacerbating the situation exponentially.
Maybe this is what property girl is indicating by when she says:
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Every day we are faced with being told you cant do this, you cant say that.
This day and age of instant media delivery and the very fact that media is now mainly composed of biased narrative rather than good old fashioned journalism reporting the news as it happened, is exacerbating the situation exponentially.
Maybe this is what property girl is indicating by when she says:
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People tend to take things in life for granted and forget how fortunate they are (ie if experiencing good health; has housing; employment; social connections etc)
So what about countries where the church isn't as prevalent? Anarchy?
If someone needs belief in a higher power in order for them to function within society theres a decent chance they're a bit of a rubbish human being to start with.
Note I'm not in any way anti religion, I just have an issue with people claiming society is falling apart because of how much less relevance religion has today and I especially dislike it when a specific religion is named because no one religion is more important than another
Turn a blind eye and keep on smiling, responding just backfires.
I get hit with abuse and sarcasm on a regular basis, this is my approach.
Doesn?t help at all when the perpetrator is a woman.
I am a grumpy old lady, especially when confronted by teenagers who have never been taught the manners that I was taught.
My sermon on the issue is thus:
In the 1950s and 60s, western society was heavily influenced by the church, whether someone likes that statement or not, it is an historical fact. During the 60s and 70s there was a huge movement away from the church and its values, one of which was respect for others. The general precepts of the Humanist movement was then taught in western schools and universities and through the media.
In many ways the social values are the same, but there are a few differences. We are educated these days to question all authority - not just the church's (which is a good thing) but also the government's and our elder's authority. Hence we have developed a society that is prone to be less respectful of other people than we were a few decades ago. An example is how the country's elected leaders carry on in Parliament these days, and how the public shows no respect for its leaders.
I also note that we have taken on many (positive) socialist values, but again rejected the outright obedience to the State that happens in the communist societies.
I'll leave frontal lobes for another time. I'm off now to indoctrinate tomorrow's voters for you.....
My sermon on the issue is thus:
In the 1950s and 60s, western society was heavily influenced by the church, whether someone likes that statement or not, it is an historical fact. During the 60s and 70s there was a huge movement away from the church and its values, one of which was respect for others. The general precepts of the Humanist movement was then taught in western schools and universities and through the media.
In many ways the social values are the same, but there are a few differences. We are educated these days to question all authority - not just the church's (which is a good thing) but also the government's and our elder's authority. Hence we have developed a society that is prone to be less respectful of other people than we were a few decades ago. An example is how the country's elected leaders carry on in Parliament these days, and how the public shows no respect for its leaders.
I also note that we have taken on many (positive) socialist values, but again rejected the outright obedience to the State that happens in the communist societies.
I'll leave frontal lobes for another time. I'm off now to indoctrinate tomorrow's voters for you.....
Well, I have been keeping a lookout for random nastiness in my life since this thread started. Nothing. Thinking back, I can't recall the last time I saw anything like that, and I'm a prime candidate to be exposed to it. Not because I'm nasty myself, but because I live in an inner suburb where more than half the residents were born overseas. (Some would have even come here on those pesky boats.) I drive in Sydney traffic - albeit mostly on the weekends, but Saturday traffic is as bad as weekday traffic now. I work smack bang in the middle of Australia's busiest city. I use public transport everyday - and my trainline is the Bankstown line. My mother has been in hospital for a week so I have been exposed to that world, too.
I can even recall a recent act of random kindness. Last week, my wife was walking back from the supermarket in the rain - it's only 300 metres. A bloke up the road who she had never seen was on his doorstep. He rushed into his house and gave her an umbrella and told her to not bother bringing it back. It's a good umbrella, too.
The only place I really see bullying and nastiness is on Somersoft.
I reckon some of you living those peaceful country lives might have to come and spend some time in the middle of the city for a break.
I can even recall a recent act of random kindness. Last week, my wife was walking back from the supermarket in the rain - it's only 300 metres. A bloke up the road who she had never seen was on his doorstep. He rushed into his house and gave her an umbrella and told her to not bother bringing it back. It's a good umbrella, too.
The only place I really see bullying and nastiness is on Somersoft.
I reckon some of you living those peaceful country lives might have to come and spend some time in the middle of the city for a break.
I don't think society has gotten worse. In fact, it's gotten better. The more you go back into the past, the worse it becomes.
Nuclear armageddon in the 80s, racism in the 70s, sexism in the 60s, losing your job cuz somebody said you were in a commie in the 50s, world war in the 40s, depression in the 30s, etc.
And of course, go back a few centuries and you had people burnt at the stake cuz somebody didn't like the way the worshipped their gods, or whole cities massacred when the King's men marched in.
Yeah, lots of bad things in society today, but I don't think it's gotten worse.
Nuclear armageddon in the 80s, racism in the 70s, sexism in the 60s, losing your job cuz somebody said you were in a commie in the 50s, world war in the 40s, depression in the 30s, etc.
And of course, go back a few centuries and you had people burnt at the stake cuz somebody didn't like the way the worshipped their gods, or whole cities massacred when the King's men marched in.
Yeah, lots of bad things in society today, but I don't think it's gotten worse.
I've had/ heard two opposing stories on this in the past week.
1. a friend in the UK witnessed a motorcyclist pull alongside and punch through the side window of a female driver's car after she apparently pulled out in front of him. I used to ride motorbikes in the UK and can remember the frustration and frequency of cars pulling out of side streets with no more than a "Sorry, I didn't see you", but punching a window is a completely unacceptable response
2. However, someone found and handed in my driving licence (that I had lost on a bicycle trail last weekend) to their local police station, and the cops personally delivered it back to my home address, so there are still those amongst us who will go out of their way to be helpful..
1. a friend in the UK witnessed a motorcyclist pull alongside and punch through the side window of a female driver's car after she apparently pulled out in front of him. I used to ride motorbikes in the UK and can remember the frustration and frequency of cars pulling out of side streets with no more than a "Sorry, I didn't see you", but punching a window is a completely unacceptable response
2. However, someone found and handed in my driving licence (that I had lost on a bicycle trail last weekend) to their local police station, and the cops personally delivered it back to my home address, so there are still those amongst us who will go out of their way to be helpful..
I think it is natural for human beings.
Sit some where, close your eyes and listen to your internal chattering.
Look at a infant - she/he will be smiling when they are comfortable but throw tantrums when they are uncomfortable.
"Everyone carries a shadow," Jung wrote, "and the less it is embodied in the individual's conscious life, the blacker and denser it is." It may be (in part) one's link to more primitive animal instincts, which are superseded during early childhood by the conscious mind.
Sit some where, close your eyes and listen to your internal chattering.
Look at a infant - she/he will be smiling when they are comfortable but throw tantrums when they are uncomfortable.
"Everyone carries a shadow," Jung wrote, "and the less it is embodied in the individual's conscious life, the blacker and denser it is." It may be (in part) one's link to more primitive animal instincts, which are superseded during early childhood by the conscious mind.
