Wraps

Bazza,

wraps aren't only for people on the poverty line- they can be for very affluent people as well.

The impression I have is that Steve McKnight (a well known wrapper) aims at this lower end of the market- but Rick Otton aims at much more well-to-do people, who are credit impaired for a variety of reasons.
 
Thanks Perky - excellent article.

It's interesting to note that the statistics are about 1 in 10 wraps falls over. I guess they are a high risky group - that's why the banks don't want to know about them?

Cheers,

Bazza
 
Hi,

That's an interesting point you bring up there, "risk", as investors we always need to evaluate the risks, and determine how to manage it.

If you consider;

- superannuation (managed funds)
- direct share trading
- options
- buy/hold property
- renovation
- off the plan
- development
- wraps

they all have their risks, with wraps, when a wrapper UNDERSTANDS the people they are dealing with, that immediately changes the nature of risk. In theory if they know the risks, they can start to plan effectively to neutralise it. And that's the trick with wraps, learning to manage the risks.

Why is there a perception that wraps are hard?, because of the risks. Once you realise that with planning the risks can be neutralised, then its not so daunting. But it takes time, I'm still learning after 2 years, but Rick Otton makes it look easy, but then his had over 10 years experience :)

What about our developer forumites?, they too would be learning risk management as they progress too.

And what about the wrappees?, well even the Goverment didn't get it right the first time (Home Fund) nor is the Dept of Housing a smooth operation without risks.

But wraps aren't just marketed towards to low end of the market, wraps are for anyone who are unable to obtain tradional forms of finance. Consider a business owner, cashflow is good, but company is new, wants a house for new family decides on wrap. Then fire from next door warehouse damages their own area, insurance doesn't cover situation properly, struggles to maintain payments, informs wrapper that sadly they have to let the property go and go back to renting while they sort themselves out. Through bad luck successful businessman fails on wrap.

The point here, is not risky, is a higher level of risk.

Michael G
 
Interesting example of the business owner, Michael. Usually wrap repayments are set to match what a person would comfortably or normally pay in rent on their current wage. Since income from a business may fluctuate due to market and economic conditions should the same ratio of repayments to monthly income apply to business owners? Or should it be lowered to match the risk of a downturn in business profits?

In your example, the BO chose to go back to renting because it was the cheaper option. Perhaps this would not have happened had they had been living in a cheaper wrapped property which they could still afford despite temporary cashflow problems.

Question for wrappers is, "do I wrap to a business owner where the level of repayments is dependent on the success of the business?" We all know that a large percentage of small businesses fail in the first five years. Is the risk, in this case, all with the buyer or should a wrapper insist that the buyer buy into something more modest that didn't rely heavily on the success of the business and good economic and business conditions?

Regards, Mike
 
Hi Nealet,
Thanks for that contact. Let me ask do these guys only specialise in Victoria or do they do interstate deals as well? Thanks everyone for the in depth examples of wrapps it certainly shows that it is a matter of experience and following a tried and proven method.
 
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