yield on regional commercial

I hear that yield are rising on commercial genarally, caused by dropping sale prices. I assume that is because of greater risks of vacancy these days.

Can anyone advise what an acceptable yield is these days?

Regional, 4 year old building and government tennant on a decent lease.:confused:

Does 6% seem too low??
 
Giddo, your blunt question is similar to asking a surgeon to perform brain surgery with a shovel. You need to get finer and more accurate tools if you don't want to end up with a disaster on your hands.


I've bought CIP with yields ranging from a low of 4.5% nett up to 11% nett. The 4.5% was an absolute bargain given the circumstances, and I think I paid too much when buying the prop yielding 11%.


It depends on so many factors, that to boil your decision down to a simple yield figure is not good, IMO.


Have a squizz at land content / tenant quality / lease wording quality / bond guarantees / lease term lengths / future development potentials / termination clauses / all of your standard demographic stuff.


There is a bunch of stuff to look at, not just the yield.
 
Giddo, your blunt question is similar to asking a surgeon to perform brain surgery with a shovel. You need to get finer and more accurate tools if you don't want to end up with a disaster on your hands.


I've bought CIP with yields ranging from a low of 4.5% nett up to 11% nett. The 4.5% was an absolute bargain given the circumstances, and I think I paid too much when buying the prop yielding 11%.


It depends on so many factors, that to boil your decision down to a simple yield figure is not good, IMO.


Have a squizz at land content / tenant quality / lease wording quality / bond guarantees / lease term lengths / future development potentials / termination clauses / all of your standard demographic stuff.


There is a bunch of stuff to look at, not just the yield.

Thanks Dazz,

As usual you are right in your assessment of my question.

It is probably not possible in a forum such as this to get an accurate answer.

A silly question in other words.

Regards all the other factors, I have already done those investigations, and it looks like this.

I have spent $$$ and hours and am happy that the lease will hold, and deliver the promise $ benefits for min 8 years then an option of another 5 + 5.
CPI rises or 3.5%.

Property is 4 yrs old so gives good deprec benefits. property is classified "residential" for council and also for lending purposes.(accomm building)
ALL outgoings paid by tenant.

On Heron todd Whites finance valuation, I will get return of 6.3% on purchase price, if purchase price is same as their finance val.
I will put in $350k of my own money, and geta return of 4.8% on my investment after I pay interest, and any other costs.
So it is 4.8% nett.
Then there is hopefully some capital gain if I keep it for at least 8 years.

If capital gain is a conservative 3% pa I will get then get a 12.2% return on my investment cash. Nett after intrest and costs of accountancy, etc etc.

After reading of your recent exploits I am thinkin this is a lousy deal:confused:
But for me, it looks pretty safe and easy return.:)
 
hi
the net cap rates on rgionals is about 11 to12 % so 6 is not good
you neeed to be around the 14 to 15% net to make them work
the income is there but growth wil be slim
the 5% anual is fine but at the end of the lease it wil come back and tahts your problem
so regionals are fine for cash but not growth as I see it
and now they are being hit by the cap rates
and there is alot around as well
just my view
 
Hi GIDDO,
Did you see in todays Courier Mail the Dalby pub went for 4.6million, the paper reports a passing yield of 14 to 15 per cent. Its a much bigger pond than the one I swim in at present, but makes for some interesting reading all the same.

Scott
 
hi 8fold
tread carefull when it come s to pubs and thats any pub
the largest publican group is the liquidators
you will be lucky to get 50% lend on a pub now and the cap rates are around the 14 % and thats not bush that inner cities
at 4.9 mil I would be wanting a 16 to 18% return to allow for management movements
pubs are a very unusully item in that the return is very much driver by the hotelier or publican and you value is drive by return or money he/she makes
and they are a very specialist item.
the biggest gap or movement in any market for me at the moment is hotels, resorts, being the biggest pubs clubs next and comm next
and as return is driven by risk you should look at return in the same light
return on a cig shop and return on a pub are very different
and that not the bush thats anywhere.
you need to clarify return and then work out what return in the current market you would expect in the bush for that product.
so as a farmer would say its apple with apples
throw a pub in there and its apples with watermelon
and the size is a similar comparison
 
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