Eliminating the shortall

Interesting excerpt from a long word document sent to me some time back by a friend..



James and Susan purchased their first home in Sydney around twelve years ago, in June 1987. The home they purchased was a modest cottage, worth close to the median value for houses in Sydney at the time. In this case study, James and Susan are a fictitious couple we will use to show how, by safe and conservative planning, modest beginnings can be escalated into substantial wealth and security. They paid $83,000 to purchase the property, with a cash deposit of $21,000, part of which was used to pay stamp duty and legal costs, and a home loan from their bank of $66,000.

ORIGINAL HOME PURCHASE (TEN YEARS AGO)

Purchase Price $83,000
Purchase Costs $4,000
Total Cost $87,000
Cash deposit $21,000
Mortgage $66,000
Total Funds $87,000

Today, after living in that home for more than ten years, and in line with the actual growth in Sydney values over that period, their home has now increased in value to $220,000. They have reduced some of their home loan from $66,000 to $50,000. As it is a principal and interest loan, it has not reduced quickly. The payments on the loan in those early years have mainly been interest. Today they have equity, which is the value of the property less the amount they owe the bank, or anyone else, of $170,000.

HOME POSITION TODAY

Value $220,000
Less Mortgage $50,000
Present Equity $170,000

The actual result they have achieved in financial terms, is that equity has grown from $21,000 when they purchased the property ten years ago, to $170,000 today. An excellent result, but of course, all they own is the same home at its increased value.

GROWTH IN HOME EQUITY

Original Equity $21,000
Asset Growth (and loan reduction) $149,000
Present Equity $170,000

THE NEXT TEN YEARS

If we project their position today ten years into the future, and increase the value of their home at say 8% per annum, it will increase to $475,000. It will then be just over twenty years since they originally purchased their home, and they would have paid off the home loan. They would have equity in their home of $475,000, most of which, other than the loan of $66,000 which they paid off over the period, was achieved by natural market growth. No major renovations, or rezoning or change of land use. Just the inevitable increase in value over time. In this example we have used an 8% growth rate, rather than the historically higher 10% growth. At 10% their home would increase in ten years to $570,500, but let us remain conservative with the 8% example.

HOME EQUITY IN TEN YEARS FROM NOW

Value of Home Today $220,000
Projected Growth @ 8% per annum compound $225,000
Projected Value in Ten years From Now $475,000
Mortgage in Ten Years NIL
Projected Equity in Ten Years From Now $475,000

In ten years, with a property value of $475,000, they could sell and buy a cheaper home and bank the difference, but as their home is in the median price range, that would mean settling for significantly inferior accommodation. They may even have to rent in order to have a reasonable nest egg if they were to retire at that time.

ADDING TO GROWTH POTENTIAL

Alternatively they could do something now to add to their growth potential over the next ten years by using their property as collateral and borrowing to acquire additional property, which could be rented as an investment, with tax benefits, and most importantly, would also grow in value.

James and Susan decide on the latter plan and approach their bank manager for a loan to purchase investment property. But what are the risks? The first rule of investment is to protect existing capital. The bank would look at James and Susan’s position and should be happy to lend them up to 90% of their homes value of $220,000. At this level of borrowings they would have to pay for mortgage insurance which protects the bank’s position. But they want to remain fairly conservative, especially as a first time investment, and decide to borrow only 75% of their homes present value. Banks do not usually require mortgage insurance at this level of borrowing, as they perceive minimal risk, especially on investment in residential property.

AVOIDING BLUE SKY

If protecting our capital is our number one rule, then avoiding either "blue sky" optimism, or taking too "gung-ho" an approach to investment are important points to keep in mind.

The bank agreed to lend them 75% of the value of their home today, a $165,000 loan. But they still have a balance of $50,000, owing on their existing mortgage. If that $50,000 is deducted it leaves a borrowable amount of $115,000 which could be used as a deposit for a further investment property. The bank manager then has to establish that they can afford to service the total loan out of their income including the rent from the new investment property and the potential tax savings which would result from investment ownership. Providing those tests are met, the bank would lend them $115,000 "for any worthwhile purpose", to use a bank expression, in this case, as the deposit for another property purchase.

If James and Susan also borrow 75% of the value of the new investment property they intend to acquire, that would give them a total borrowing power of $385,000, which could be used to purchase properties worth $365,000 after allowing for acquisition costs such as stamp duty and legal fees. The next week they could go shopping for a property or properties up to $365,000 in total value.

BORROWING FOR INVESTMENT PURPOSES

Current Value of Home $220,000
Increase Borrowings to 75% of Present Value $165,000
Less Current Borrowings ($50,000)
Further Borrowings Obtainable on Existing Home $115,000
Plus Loan on New Properties at 75% of Purchase Price $270,000
Total Borrowing Power $385,000
Funds Available for Further Purchases After Purchase Costs
$365,000


You can see in the following figures with their new mortgage of $385,000 for investment property, with a value of $365,000 after allowing for stamp duty, legal fees and borrowing costs, which equate to around 5% of the purchase price of a median priced property, plus their home and existing mortgage, their total property holdings have increased to $585,000 with borrowing's of $435,000.

POSITION WITH NEW PROPERTIES

Home Investment Properties TOTAL
Value $220,000 $365,000 $585,000
Borrowings $50,000 $385,000 $435,000
Equity $170,000 ($20,000) $150,000

What they have done is increase their assets and liabilities, giving them greater exposure to future increases in values. Now they will receive capital growth on property worth $585,000.

THE FIRST FIVE YEARS

If they then do nothing for the next five years, what would their situation be? Applying the same principles and assuming values have increased at an average 8% per annum, their home would have increased to $323,000. We can assume that they have continued repayments on their home loan as they have done in the past, increasing their equity and reducing the mortgage.

POSITION IN FIVE YEARS FROM NOW

Home Investment Properties TOTAL
Value $323,000 $536,000 $859,000
Borrowings $24,000 $385,000 $409,000
Equity $299,000 $151,000 $450,000

The investment properties have increased at 8% per annum to $536,000. They still have the loan they took out to buy the properties at $385,000. If it were a principal and interest loan it would have reduced a little increasing the equity. We will assume that they borrowed interest only for investment purposes, so their total property holdings have increased to $859,000 with loans of $409,000 which is under 50% of the value of their properties. Looking at the total picture, this is a conservative level of borrowings. Their equity has increased to $450,000.

They have virtually achieved in five years what would have taken ten, if they had just continued paying off their home and left their equity passively non-productive. By putting that equity to work within fairly conservative limits, they have substantially improved their net worth. This could be achieved at relatively low ongoing cost, which is covered in detail in the next chapter. The actual ongoing cost to James and Susan works out to be less than leasing the average family car worth say $28,000 and which will fall in value, compared to owning $365,000 in additional property which will rise in value. There is no comparison - it is chalk and cheese.

After that first five year period, James and Susan are very satisfied with the results of their first property investment. They go back to the bank to show their manager what they have achieved, and seek to borrow for further investment.


This is after 5 years- Things start *snowballing* after this..
 
Ray Brown said:
Talking about cashbonds again.

When I mentioned cashbonds as an option to help me out of my DSR problem, she said the bank would not consider the bond as income because it wouldn't have been paid for long enough. (two years or something at the ANZ).

I came to a bit of a dead end there. And I could see their point.
:confused:

That's something i also struggle with. I cannot imagine a bank would take a cashbond/annuity as income when they know that it will finish in 5 years time. Surely they're not that stupid???
 
I need to keep things simple and in perspective as I'm not shares savvy. This is how we do it.

There are properties around where you can break even if you look hard enough. I found cashflow positive properties after tax deductions in this market.

At the moment we only top up about $200 per mth on 3 IP's. I think once we have hit a wall....just sell one property and the profit should help with serviceability for another 5 to 10 years and possibly enough to purchase a few more IP's. Do the same thing each time you hit a wall.

I'm not sure about using LOC as you will never reduce your mortgage and it's better to reduce it and try to last out 10 years as by then the rent should cover the mortgage.

Live at home helps.
 
Obviously if the properties were cashflow positive then buying properties one after the other is no concern,

No way....in reality you still need cashflow...there are so many associated costs with properties like maintenance, rates is a killer. Even if you have 10 positive cashflow properties, you will need cashflow for rates, around about $5k a quarter.

Property investing is like a business. Small business struggles with cashflow in the first 5 years and it's the same with property. Best way is to buy 5, sell one, buy 3, sell one and slowly build your portfolio.

We've been caught where we had to sell and in cur high CGT but we had no choice as we needed cashflow. Some people buya nd hold everything but I find it too hard.
 
Ray Brown said:
Talking about cashbonds again.

I remember reaching that debt serviceability limit when my bank manager informed me that I had a great LVR, but I could only borrow $50K :eek: for investment. And only $150K for a house.
When I mentioned cashbonds as an option to help me out of my DSR problem, she said the bank would not consider the bond as income because it wouldn't have been paid for long enough. (two years or something at the ANZ).

I came to a bit of a dead end there. And I could see their point.

One thing I never understood was how would you get the loan for the cashbond in the first place if your DSR was holding you back from borrowing for property?

:confused:

Ray,

One should always be thinking ahead with the end in mind before starting out to build a propery portfolio large enough to become self funded upon. With this in mind I would strongly suggest that one sets up a LOC/s and keep regular top ups on it as your portfolio grows.

This allows you the flexibilty to keep growing your portfolio with greater options available to you such as a cashbond for example.

In relation to your question, the banks/lenders have already taken your DSR into account because they determine the funds you have available in your LOC have already been maxed out or fully withdrawn in the first instance even prior to purchasing the cashbond.

Its just your borrowed funds coming back to you via a Cashbond/Annuity or Guarranteed income Plan.

I use a 5 year Cashbond/annuity that recognised by banks moreso than a 2 year one. I use a mortage broker who specialises in cashbonds structures and experienced in getting them across the line for me.

Hope this helps. Does it make sense to you ?
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nomadic said:
Surely they're not that stupid???

Not stupid no.

All banks and lender have their standard cookie cutter DSR & LVR lending modules that they use to apply to loan applications.

Its simple a matter of working out what dough types their cookie cutter cuts then providing it to them via your loan application. :)
 
Rixter said:
... With this in mind I would strongly suggest that one sets up a LOC/s and keep regular top ups on it as your portfolio grows.

That would be fine - if I could service a LOC.

Rixter said:
...the banks/lenders have already taken your DSR into account because they determine the funds you have available in your LOC have already been maxed out or fully withdrawn in the first instance even prior to purchasing the cashbond.

Does it make sense to you ?

Not really. :eek:
 
A few years ago we over came one of the serviceability hurdles by presenting a simple business plan to NAB and they accepted it. This enabled us to borrow more and further grow our asset base.
We got the business plan format off a westpac business web site and simply put in our details.
Moving on in regard to serviceability, just imagine if you had a portfolio value of around 4mil and you wanted to provide serviceability for new borrowings.
If you where to approach a lender with a plan to possibly sell down a portion of your assets to prive income to service a loan with that lender (although you have no intention of doing it unless you find it necessary) The potential serviceability could possibly meet the box ticking criteria of some low and no doc lenders. I know this is a little outside the box but assets and the potential liquidation of such are valued by some lenders otherwise low doc declaration statements would be a lot tighter on interpretation.
Simon
 
nomadic said:
That's something i also struggle with. I cannot imagine a bank would take a cashbond/annuity as income when they know that it will finish in 5 years time. Surely they're not that stupid???


Hmmm, all income sources are not necessarily finite (depending on level of lock in etc ie guaranteed for x years).

Say, your job? You could get retrenched at any time or leave

You could sell shares, losing dividend income

You could buy property on the basis of existing rental income...and then sell those properties

So an cashbond payable over 5 years is at least more fixed than some other genuine income sources.

I am with Simon and Rixter and others on this one who have the opinion it is all about having a strong understanding of the banks lending guidelines and then working with them to demonstrate you can service and come up with a genuine deposit in line with their guidelines.
 
Hi Simon,
Could you post a copy of this business plan proformat or alternatively url of the website where I could get it .
Ta
 
hi salsa
i am sure simon has posted this link before on somersoft...try a search "business plan" and simon and see if it comes up

cheers

Corsa
 
Ray Brown said:
Not really. :eek:

Ray,

When you have a LOC you have a credit limit that allows you to draw up to this limit but you will only ever pay interest on the balance you have actually drawn out.

In relation to the banks working out your DSR & LVR, even tho you have not drawn on your LOC up to the credit limit the banks/lenders will actually look at you as if you have drawn it to the credit limit. This is because its funds are already approved and available to you to use as you wish.

Maybe if I provide the following example for you it explains it better -

Lets say you have a LOC with a credit limit of $150k but you have only drawn $20k from it. You will only pay interest on that $20k even tho you have $130k of funds still undrawn but available to you. But for the purposes of working out your DSR & LVR's the banks/lenders will calculate it as if you have used the extra $130k and drawn up to your full $150k credit limit. Its with the $130k of funds still undrawn that you purchase a Cashbond/Annuity with.

Then in turn that $130k Cashbond/Annuity will allow you to borrow to purchase another $520k of Property.

Does this explain it better for you?
 
ramone_johnny said:
I am curious to know how it is possible to continually buy properties when there is this continual shortfall in income?
A scenario that was presented to me recently is:

* Take out LOC on PPOR
* Use LOC for 20% deposit + costs
* Take out Low Doc Loan for 80%
* Buy worst house in best street with potential.
* Add value and improve at minimal costs (using LOC)
* Put tennants in.
* Use remaining portion of LOC to fund shortfall for total of 6 months.
* Have house revalued
* Say you had shortfall of $5K/yr, and your re-valuation was $50K higher, you now have 10 years worth of shortfall available. All future capital growth to sit there until you need it, say for deposit on next house etc.
* Providing that you bought well, researched the market and knew you could add value, this seems pretty reasonable to me, but would be interested in opinions.
 
A question for Rixter.

With your strategy, how do you fund the property aquisitions for the first 7 to 10 years. Is it through saving for deposits, or do you draw down LOC's against the existing properties?

The first would require a large disposable income, or some very strict budgetting for a long time, and the second would mean that the equity is already borrowed when you hit the 10 year mark and want to start the cycle feeding back into itself.

It seems that there is a large cash input required somewhere to fuel the acquisitions, or have I missed something here.

The reason I ask is that my strategy is turning out to be quite similar to yours. I'll probably come close to hitting servicibility limits with my next purchase unless I can find CF+ somewhere, or rents increase significantly. To date, I've been funding acquisitions by borrowing against equity in current properties, but if there's a better way then I'm certainly interested in looking at it.

Maybe we should schedule some beer time at the CT seminar. ;)
 
Corsa & Simon, Thanks.


With no doc loans available with 80% LVR these days, would
"proving serviceability to bank" be a thing of the past , or not ? if we have pleinty of equity to play with ?
 
Regardless of the documentation required, servicibility is important. Not only to the bank, but also to making sure you can make the loan repayments. The banks have just standardised how they measure servicibility, that's all. They want to be sure you can cover the repayments with a bit of slack in the system.

Having a million in equity with no cash coming in will not help you pay off a loan regardless of how much documentation you fill in.
 
Perhaps I should rephrase my question , replacing "cerviceability" with "income" , in the spirit of Simon's post re. his use of the business plan to overcome serviceabity issue.
 
Puppeteer said:
Regardless of the documentation required, servicibility is important. Not only to the bank, but also to making sure you can make the loan repayments. The banks have just standardised how they measure servicibility, that's all. They want to be sure you can cover the repayments with a bit of slack in the system.

Having a million in equity with no cash coming in will not help you pay off a loan regardless of how much documentation you fill in.
I agree with your fisrt paragraph. Very important to set up safety nets to fall back on.
As for having 1ml in equity and no cash. I believe overcoming that challenge is what takes the investor to the next level.
Kind regards
Simon
 
Puppeteer said:
A question for Rixter.

With your strategy, how do you fund the property aquisitions for the first 7 to 10 years. Is it through saving for deposits, or do you draw down LOC's against the existing properties?

The first would require a large disposable income, or some very strict budgetting for a long time, and the second would mean that the equity is already borrowed when you hit the 10 year mark and want to start the cycle feeding back into itself.

It seems that there is a large cash input required somewhere to fuel the acquisitions, or have I missed something here.

The reason I ask is that my strategy is turning out to be quite similar to yours. I'll probably come close to hitting servicibility limits with my next purchase unless I can find CF+ somewhere, or rents increase significantly. To date, I've been funding acquisitions by borrowing against equity in current properties, but if there's a better way then I'm certainly interested in looking at it.

Maybe we should schedule some beer time at the CT seminar. ;)

Hi Pup,

I fund all my IP deposits from OPM borrowing against my existing property portfolio equity. There is no large cash input anywhere on my behalf.

All my IPs are cashflow neutral to positive with rental yield ranging from 6% to 7% and located for CG in metro areas of capital cities.

In relation to equity already having been borrowed by Year 10 comment , No not at all when you have had some good CG (providing you bought well) and you have stopped purchasing some 3-4 years beforehand. :)

What are your yields like?

Hope to see you at CT.
 
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