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    Bali Nine

    Some of us have cancelled. We wont be going there again.
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    Bali Nine

    Up to 7% of the population are addicted to alcohol, it and nicotine kill far, far more than illegal drugs but we accept it, we have been conditioned to. Anyway drug danger is not the issue, Indonesia is not interested in reducing drug deaths, the executions are for political purposes, nothing...
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    Bali Nine

    BUDGET LOSER - Indonesia "Indonesia will lose 40% of its non-humanitarian foreign aid budget as relations between Australia and our northern neighbour reach new lows. Julie Bishop warned there would be consequences for the execution of the Bali Nine and it looks like this is it. $1 billion...
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    Bali Nine

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    Bali Nine

    Should be.. but not in Indonesia.. they have shown they are willing to execute people without due process or evidence beyond reasonable doubt, so even travelers with no drug involvement are at risk. Do not go there.
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    Bali Nine

    Heinous crime ?? phfft .. the only heinous crime was committed by Indonesia. Anyone else find it odd how society has been conditioned to accept some drugs as "heinous and terrible" and others as socially acceptable ?? Even when the stats say otherwise ? One of the guys executed was for...
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    Bali Nine

    Or out of Indonesia....as they were doing. To be on the safe side, just dont go there at all.
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    Bali Nine

    You would go there again ? crazy. Minimum term for mushrooms is 4 years, or maybe they'll execute you later when they "review the case". One of guys executed this week only had 50g of heroin, another was dubiously accused of planning to sell marijuana, his friends who brought the stuff to his...
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    Bali Nine

    Cold Blooded Murderers. As Geoffrey Robertson advised yesterday, financial aid should be stopped and it should be announced in the May budget that it will go to Nepal instead.
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    Bali Nine

    This is what Indonesia wants, to get the most out of it politically, and ignore Australia's requests (eg phone calls, announcement of execution on ANZAC day). Its not about drugs, just politics. Australia's response has to be fast and severe or we look like fools trampled on by posturing...
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    Bali Nine

    There is no justice in Indonesia, totally corrupt. No credibility anymore either. I hope our government has the guts to give them some serious reprisals and sanctions over this. We certainly wont be going to Indonesia anymore, I hope many others do the same. Would reconsider if they can...
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    Bali Nine

    Only 3 in Indonesia in the last 10 years before 2015 for drug offences (none in Bali, ever). This is new, erratic and unjustifiable behaviour from Indonesia which should be strongly rejected, with sanctions if necessary.
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    Bali Nine

    Zero. Murdering these two has nothing to do with drugs. It is all about politics, corruption and sticking it to Australia. Indonesia does not give two hoots about people who may take drugs. Their police and judicial system are corrupt and heavily involved in the trade. Domestic Indonesian drug...
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    Bali Nine

    Yes Brasil has kicked up a huge stink and rejected the latest Indonesian ambassador after the execution. In response trade deals are falling apart. The Brazilian was denied last rites from his priest who was waiting there. Yes US does not allow its citizens to be executed legally abroad, they...
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    Bali Nine

    Widodo is an order of magnitude worse. Itś absolutely about politics, not about drugs as evident in Indonesias lax attitude to other drugs which do more harm, and their specific targeting of foreigners and clemency for the locals. The Australian government needs to take the gloves off after...
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    Bali Nine

    No you misunderstood the graph (though I suppose there's not much description on it). It's normalised on a per user basis, nothing to do with usage, legality or illegality. Alcohol is more dangerous to other people than heroin (red) though heroin, crack and meth are more dangerous to the user...
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    Bali Nine

    Far more people die, familes affected and crimes comitted because of alcohol than class A drugs, but society generally accepts those producers and traffickers. Wierd. The graph (from the Lancet, 2010) is on a per drug user basis. Once you take usage prevalence into account alcohol dwarfs illegal...
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    Bali Nine

    Everyone involved from the AFP should be fired.
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    Bali Nine

    Since the drugs were destined for Australia that's where they should have been tried. They were actually reducing the amount of heroin in Indonesia so Indonesia should really be thankful if they cared about their drug and smoking problems.
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    Bali Nine

    Disheartening how many support this massively disproportionate penalty. Indonesia is two faced, they don't care too much about stopping death by drugs, they have the highest smoking rates in the world and allow advertising and sales of cigarettes to children outside schools. As a result over...
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