About to sign up my 1st Property Manager

Hi All,

About to sign up a Property Manager for my first IP.

Any hints?

They are charging 7% management fees. Is that "standard"?

The IP is in a Melbourne northern suburb.

Thanks

GG
 
7% is about (or slightly below) standard- depending on where you are. But watch out for all the other fees. Relet, petties and postage- even inspection fees.

If you've bought the property through that agency you MAY be able to get a slightly lower rate.

It's much more important how a PM performs.

I have a PM who is very proactive, and who can move with the market. I'm very happy with that approach. Obviously, while rents are rising, that's good. But if rents are falling, that's also OK- if the PM knows the market, and adjusts quickly in a falling market, I'll have the place vacant for less time.
 
Around where I (originally) come from, the going rate is 7.7% GST inclusive. I have spoken to numerous agents and this is universally quoted.

Though I am unsure of the other costs to which Geoff refers.

GG, have they quoted you a GST inclusive price?

I know, it sounds like a dumb question, but 3 years after the GST was introduced I am continually dealing with professionals (lawyers, actuaries and accountants) who quote for jobs on a GST exclusive basis.

Like as though they don't have to charge it (dills).

MB
 
Originally posted by MB364
I am continually dealing with professionals (lawyers, actuaries and accountants) who quote for jobs on a GST exclusive basis.

Like as though they don't have to charge it (dills).
I think it's a way of making it sound cheaper. I've been stung by that before- forgetting to ask if GST was included, assuming that it was, and only finding out at bill pay time that it weasn't
 
I'm not 100% sure on this one but I was led to believe the Real Estate industry was the only one allowed to quote prices exclusive of GST. Whenever I quote our commission I always make it clear that the GST is also payable above the amount. It's difficult to build a good relationship with a client if they feel duped right from the beginning.

Kev

www.nundahrealestate.com.au
 
From my experience in Eastern Melb & Inner Melb. rentals, 7% is a standard rate for these areas for only one property. This is for the management of an existing tenancy, for the duration of the tenancy.

On top of this, every change of tenancy cost you 2-3 weeks rent charge to the real estate agent, plus any vacancy period between tenants.

Also inbetween every tenancy I always have cleaning costs, and often minor repairs, which I organise and pay for directly myself.

I'd love you to keep us posted as to how you find it. Costs, and your impressions, etc.

All the best.

Adventurer
 
Hi there.

Congrats on purchasing your first IP. How did everything go?

When I was looking for our PM, I wrote up a list of questions to ask each PM. By asking the same questions of each PM, you are comparing apples with apples. I then went into each agency and said that I wanted to talk to someone about renting a property. This is a legitimate question, and they immediately assume that you are looking, as a potential tenant. You soon find out how your potential tenants are going to be treated. A few agencies I went to, immediately were crossed off my list for treating me like a leper.

Then I'd ask each PM the same questions from my list. One PM who had lower fees, spent the whole time looking out of the front door. I didn't realise I was that boring!

I took notes on my sheet of questions, watched their body language and got all of their business cards. Then I went home and thought about it.

Of course, it can be a bit difficult if you find a PM who you like with one agency and another PM at another agency who you also like, but aren't fussed with her offsiders!

Hope this helps you.
 
Originally posted by Gordon Gekko
Hi All,

About to sign up a Property Manager for my first IP.

Any hints?

They are charging 7% management fees. Is that "standard"?

The IP is in a Melbourne northern suburb.

Thanks

GG

Congratulations on your first investment. Lets hope its the beginning of a great portfolio.

A good PM will be critical to the performance of your investment. I'm going to offer some generic advice and then a specific suggestion.

To chose a good property manager you need to ask the right questions. here are some to consider:-
1.Does the agency have a dedicated rental department and how many staff will be looking after your property?
Many agencies see property management as a “poor sister” to the more glamorous sales department and some even leave the management of client’s assets to the front desk staff and receptionists. Ensure that your agent has a dedicated property management department. It would be preferable that this department is staffed by a number of experts so that there is continuity of management in the event of one property manager being ill or leaving.

2.Is a director / owner of the agency involved in the day to day management of the property management department?
Most agencies have a sales department and a rental department. Generally speaking the business owner has a sales background and not a rental background and looks after the sales department and leaves the management of their rental department to a property manager.

This is because the sales department has a higher turnover and high income and the rental department has a lower income and is more intensive and difficult to manage.

3.How many years has the property manager looking after your property been working in real estate?
Note that I said property manager and not the agency! Don't go to an agency just because they have a brand name.... it doesn't mean their service is going to be any better.

Many people start their career in real estate as receptionists and then move up to the property management department and some of the top performers move into sales. Yet some individuals chose property management as a career – this is the type of person that should be looking after your property and they should preferably have had 4 years industry experience.

4.How many years has the property manager been with the agency?
You should look for stability in your property mamanger. You want someone who will learn your property inside and out. You want to pick up the phone and talk to that person today, and in six months time you want to be able to talk to that same person. Due to the stresses involved in property management the staff turnover tends to be quite high. This is another reason why you should look for an estate agent who has chosen property management as a career.

5.Does the property manager give you a written proposal?
Some property managers just go out and look at your property and say “OK we'll put it on our books”
Look for someone who has put in the time and effort to present a professional image to you and give you a written proposal. If they make the effort to present their services professionally to you it is likely they will look after your property professionally also.

6. Does the Property Manager just hands out keys or do they attend property inspections with prospective tenants.
If they just hand out he keys and let the tenant inspect the property on their own, move on to another agency. I’ve seen to many things go wrong with this approach, including one extreme case where a prospective tenant made a copy of the key and returned the key to the agent, got back his driver’s licence or whatever he gave for security and then used the copy key that he made to move in and squat in the premises without paying rent! It took weeks to get him out.
Also walking around the property with prospective tenant’s means that the agent has a chance to promote the property as well as an opportunity get to know the tenant a little better. It is amazing what will come up in general chat that would never be written on an application form!

7. How many properties the manager looks after?
If a property manager looks after too many properties they won’t have time to devote the attention your property deserves. Many busy agencies have up to 200 properties per property manager and in general this is far too many to give your property individual attention. At some boutique agencies each property manager looks after about 100 properties. While these agencies may charge a little more for their property management services landlords find this extra expense translates to a trouble free investment that often produces a higher return.


Can I suggest you contact my wife Pam at Metropole Property Management on 9532 8889 because you deserve a property manager who cares as much about your property as you do! She has a great team of proeprty mangers one specialising in Northern suburbs, and as property investors they understand your needs and will look after your property the way they look after mine.
And you get a money back guarantee on the level of service.

Even if you don't call have a look at their web site
http://www.metropole.com.au/html/metropole_property_management.htm
to get an idea of the sort of services you should be looking for.
 
g'day GG

We've just signed up our second ip with the same pm. We insisted that the rates be the same as our first ip.

The rate we pay is 5% (their standard is 8.8% now, was 7%) along with a reduction in most of the other fees and charges. It was just a case of negotiation. We knew they wanted the property on their books so we had some leverage. It also helps to drop a line or two about all your future ips.

Even if you cannot negotiate the commission rate there are plenty of other costs to get them to move on. Oddly enough the one rate we couldn't move them on was the re-letting fee.

Well done and good hunting!

Kel
 
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