I am curious.
How many of you have read the Quran, or parts of it?
How many of you have read the Quran, or parts of it?
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Normally; with "problem youth" I'd agree...to a degree.
But this latest round of terrorist-type activity planned is linked to an idealology which is based on a religion.
I've met a lot of young men (and gals) in my life who were less than desirable and "a bit too wild" for everyone's good, but none of them plotted to cut a head or two off.
We have already seen previous examples of terrorist cell members where the kids were very well educated, had good lives and so on.
We cannot blame upbringing on this latest type of behaviour and mentality.
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I'm not blaming anyone, but I just wonder how it happens. It's not as though they are teaching it at our schools, so where does it comes from? Are they born hateful?
I studied the Quran at university. I found it a really attractive religion in terms of rituals and order. What I found offensive was how the Quran had been interpreted (and the interpretations were included in the book). I don't remember too many details as middle-age cognitive decline seems to be setting in, but I certainly remember the interpretations. They were pretty disgusting, and they were written in what is described as their 'bible'.
You are kidding, right?
Who would be bothered when there are soooo many other more interesting and worthwhile things to do with my time.
That's the problem in a nutshell; these nutbags should get a real life...put the friggin book down, get off the prayer mat and get outside and chase a golf ball around with a stick and kill it....much more fun for half a day.
I tried to read the Bible at various times just out of interest...you know; see what all the fuss was about...jeeezusss H.
It astounds me how anyone could spend more than 10 minutes on the pile of tripe.
I like my fiction to be murder mysteries anyway.
WTF? Now you are scaring me...you don't drive a VW Combi Van, by any chance either now or previously?
As for the UN- apart from the issue of a sovereign state giving over power to a third party-why aren't you taking issue with Israel's refusal to return land to the Palestinians as per UN vote?
There was an Insight episode on SBS where a father feared for his son who wanted to join the terrorists. Where do you think that young guy got his hatred from?
If you look at the young people that were the subject of the recent raids and news reporting they are the children of migrants.
Some families migrated to Australia 10 to 20 years ago. One particular family mentioned were Afghan aristocracy and in Australia have professional type employment. Another ran a successful restaurant before retiring.
It's their kids who have grown up in Australia, have been educated here and only recently turned to radical Islam.
Plenty of other kids in similar situations are going about their lives normally without heeding the call of the caliphate.
The ones attracted to the idea of an Islamic State are likely to be a minority.
Is it a trick question, or do you know what the answer is?
I often wonder how they can go from happy, carefree little boys to ugly, hairy-faced, skull-cap wearing psychos too - especially if their parents seem normal.
It doesn't make sense.
I think you will find that is true of some in most every country.
People fear what they don't know. In many cases this is other cultures.
Many boys have a period of being angry young men. Combine that with religious teaching by people with an agenda aimed at manipulating that and there is your answer. True of lots of societies.
I'm still in mine!
Perhaps its also about not fitting in and looking for acceptance but looking in the wrong places.
Plenty of examples, nothing to do with religion... however young men who join outlaw bikie groups, they feel accepted, feel purpose in life this sort of thing, these groups replace their family. This could be a huge motivation.
Plenty of examples, nothing to do with religion... however young men who join outlaw bikie groups, they feel accepted, feel purpose in life this sort of thing, these groups replace their family. This could be a huge motivation.
Oh yes, you're right. His father was the one who called the police telling them he was frightened his son was about to go to war. Poor family.
I'm still in mine!
Well give yourself a good talking to and snap out of it, otherwise get Mrs Bayview to give you a good slapping
Huh? Wouldn't it have been a bit odd if I'd gone off on an Arab/Israeli illegal settlement tangent? Or maybe you are confusing me with someone else? Happy to read a thread you start on the topic.
Sounds like you are also confused about economic migrants and asylum seekers. Completely different visas. Again, sounds like you don't support/understand the right to seek asylum.
If you were Morrison would you have taken the Iraqi Christians and left the yazidis?
I agree with you about the cartoons though. Issuing a fatwa every time someone hurts your feelings is a bit childish.
Nope. Have you? If so, what did you get from it?
I'm not sure reading religious texts is that useful when the interpretation of these texts is so varied. Don't people just pick, choose and ignore anyway?
I would be interested to read a translation of the bits that relate to the prophet Jesus. I can't see how Isis have the same version of that story as the Jesuits for example.
... WTF? Now you are scaring me...you don't drive a VW Combi Van, by any chance either now or previously?
A lot of the things taught into the Quran are not too different to Christian teachings. And if you are a person who likes things black and white; who likes to feel that you have a certain control over things; who likes systemisation, ritualistic behaviour, order (which to a certain extent is me, unfortunately), then it's attractive. I can see how people can be drawn to it.
I remember thinking that Mohammed taught a lot of good things. Unfortunately, I think the zealots have twisted his teachings it to suit their purposes.
The version of the Koran I read had very succinctly written interpretations included. For example, 'be kind to everyone' with the interpretation next to it saying 'except the Jews and the infidels'. I could go on. And the references to women were pretty bad too. So: Mohammed was teaching to be kind to everyone, and some human had come along and 'finessed' his teachings.
