Central clearing house required for interbank lending

We are going to need the world governments to step in and institute a government guaranteed central clearing house for interbank lending because it is becoming increasingly apparent that banks will not lend to each other under any circumstances in this economic climate.

I think its probably the only solution.
 
is this off the back of that Options Clearing House scenario i put up a few weeks ago?

good idea .... vote boomie #1 for mayor!
 
Trouble is, if bankers become involved it will be corrupted.

The current melt-down is not a failure of free enterprise, it is the inevitable result of greedy/corrupt bankers. The central clearing house on Wall St is a shambles, exploited shamelessly by the merchant banks who have sold enormous quantities (trillions of $s?) of shares they have no intention of ever delivering, and no regulating authority has ever forced compliance. Sound far-fetched? My reading says not.

Selling stuff you don't own is a criminal act. If a few went to jail the system would work again (but not until after an even greater explosion :)).
 
that rings so true Sunfish - shares were sold down heavily with no intention of buying back in. just ride the wave down and suck the profits in.

the clearing houses have probably lost control of liquidity now as well - all their vaults have been emptied...the "buying back in" was always really a gentleman's agreement in the US.

i've often pondered if the latest round of falls are some sort of economic sabotage.
 
i've often pondered if the latest round of falls are some sort of economic sabotage.

You would need to expand on that a bit, but I believe there are powerful, stateless, megalomaniacs with ethnic sounding names who will do what is needed to increase their power.

The curious may wish to google Illuminati or The Creature of Jekyll Is. You don't have to believe (I think there may be truth in it) but it doesn't hurt to be informed.
 
yeah also note i said "sabotage" not "terrorism".

there's certainly something fishy happening - events that should align (one market goes up & the other goes down etc) aren't happening. it's almost like EVERYTHING is being devalued and the equity stolen.
 
Illuminati perfect storm

Many conspiracy theories would have been predicting for years that a small group of enormously wealthy bankers have been planning just such a move for year. Thing is, who has the money to provide it.... just so happens they do. They step in as the central bank for the world and secure their place as world economic controllers. The theories are that they have also triggered a train of events: terrorism, wars, economic collapse designed to bring this event about.

Sounds far fetched, but bear in mind the US federal reserve is just such an institution... privately owned bank which both prints and lends money to the US government. It was created by subterfuge and most Americans don't understand its function and allegiances.
 
hi all
a few people have been asking the same question and for me the numbers just don't add up.
I understand markets as the best of them I think and for me there is something wrong.
I have a few question that I can't get an answer on and each time i ask the question comes back to the same
I don't know.
when you come out of a world war as we did (german currancy)and you go into a devaluing of a currency(japan) and both have hyper inflation why would you then go into a hyper printing money.
that money has to go some where.
now we just have to much money in the market now you can burn a bit but thats not going to help much
there are things at play with both currency and the markets and I have no idea why they are happening but they are not done thru normal market movements.
you can't have high demand but reduced lending and have all the same problems lining up at the same time its just not possible for me.
I think we are not being told the whole truth.
for me we did have a problem and its been building for about 5 years and it was going to hit and the writing was on the wall along time ago.
the problem here is the we do not have one crashing wave we have a couple and not sure why.
the US issue should in a normal market have very little to do with us or the rest of the market but seems to have come home with a regularity that should not happen.
I can understand one bank do this type of lending but every bank.
I can understand one silly bank
but each bank and banks from around the world that have been in business for some over 50 years.
there are alot of very bright guys in those banks and to do silly things like this to me is not greed its design.
who what or where I have no clue but from my understanding of the banking market and finance this current issue just does not add up and I am yet to find anyone that can tell me how or why it is happening in the way its happening.
and its got very little to do with sub prime
for the banks to be this edgy I just do not have clue how this has been done.
you have grey haired very aged upper bank people that have no idea either and thats a real worry.
so for me I think we need a more free bank system then a more controlled.
there is a few that think that there is a group within the US that have done this to control the banking industry there and as is the case with alot of things its gone to far and instead of controlling it they killed the duck.
and that they wanted to control the US dollar
to control where it went and to do this they wanted to get a fraction control of each bank around the world and that they were to buy up the debt of each bank at a reduced amount.
the trouble was they produced to much money and the money went to china and india where it was supposed to go.
the idea was that if you control the banks then you control where the money goes and follow the terrorist and drug runner money flows.
the larger banks refused to accept and hense they have not had any issue and are the major lenders in the market at the moment.
and if it ever does come out it will be a very sad day to hear that this whole thing was made to fight or control one thing(as with the cane toad in qld) and went out of control and now everyone is trying to work out what to do.
for me we are just puppets dancing to a dance that
not only we don't know who is pulling the strings.
we can't see the strings
we have no idea where the strings are attached.
and we are being told that there is nothing going on and everything is fine.
just my .002 worth
 
I'm not into conspiracy theories but one thing is certain. The gang of five on wall street and the control that they exerted over the world financial system has changed. George Bush made a speech in Peru yesterday where he acknowledged that the control of the world's financial destiny is shifting from the Atlantic to the Pacific.

What we are witnessing is a gradual change it won't happen over night. America is still the richest country by far. It will take China 50 years, to be the pre-eminent world power that is two generations. China has many obsticles to overcome.

What most people are unaware of is the serious hit that the old money/influence that has occurred in the U.S. and the U.K. We are entering a period of real danger because of the financial instability. A world war would destroy everything our parents and we have worked for and our childrens lives would be one of suffering and misery
 
The Austrians Were Right

LewRockwell.com


The Austrians Were Right

by Ron Paul


Before the U.S. House of Representatives, November 20, 2008

Madame Speaker, many Americans are hoping the new administration will solve the economic problems we face. That’s not likely to happen, because the economic advisors to the new President have no more understanding of how to get us out of this mess than previous administrations and Congresses understood how the crisis was brought about in the first place.

Except for a rare few, Members of Congress are unaware of Austrian Free Market economics. For the last 80 years, the legislative, judiciary and executive branches of our government have been totally influenced by Keynesian economics. If they had had any understanding of the Austrian economic explanation of the business cycle, they would have never permitted the dangerous bubbles that always lead to painful corrections.

Today, a major economic crisis is unfolding. New government programs are started daily, and future plans are being made for even more. All are based on the belief that we’re in this mess because free-market capitalism and sound money failed. The obsession is with more spending, bailouts of bad investments, more debt, and further dollar debasement. Many are saying we need an international answer to our problems with the establishment of a world central bank and a single fiat reserve currency. These suggestions are merely more of the same policies that created our mess and are doomed to fail.

At least 90% of the cause for the financial crisis can be laid at the doorstep of the Federal Reserve. It is the manipulation of credit, the money supply, and interest rates that caused the various bubbles to form. Congress added fuel to the fire by various programs and institutions like the Community Reinvestment Act, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, FDIC, and HUD mandates, which were all backed up by aggressive court rulings.

The Fed has now doled out close to $2 trillion in subsidized loans to troubled banks and other financial institutions. The Federal Reserve and Treasury constantly brag about the need for “transparency” and “oversight,” but it’s all just talk – they want none of it. They want secrecy while the privileged are rescued at the expense of the middle class.

It is unimaginable that Congress could be so derelict in its duty. It does nothing but condone the arrogance of the Fed in its refusal to tell us where the $2 trillion has gone. All Members of Congress and all Americans should be outraged that conditions could deteriorate to this degree. It’s no wonder that a large and growing number of Americans are now demanding an end to the Fed.

The Federal Reserve created our problem, yet it manages to gain even more power in the socialization of the entire financial system. The whole bailout process this past year was characterized by no oversight, no limits, no concerns, no understanding, and no common sense.

Similar mistakes were made in the 1930s and ushered in the age of the New Deal, the Fair Deal, the Great Society and the supply-siders who convinced conservatives that deficits didn’t really matter after all, since they were anxious to finance a very expensive deficit-financed American empire.

All the programs since the Depression were meant to prevent recessions and depressions. Yet all that was done was to plant the seeds of the greatest financial bubble in all history. Because of this lack of understanding, the stage is now set for massive nationalization of the financial system and quite likely the means of production.

Although it is obvious that the Keynesians were all wrong and interventionism and central economic planning don’t work, whom are we listening to for advice on getting us out of this mess? Unfortunately, it’s the Keynesians, the socialists, and big-government proponents.

Who’s being ignored? The Austrian free-market economists – the very ones who predicted not only the Great Depression, but the calamity we’re dealing with today. If the crisis was predictable and is explainable, why did no one listen? It’s because too many politicians believed that a free lunch was possible and a new economic paradigm had arrived. But we’ve heard that one before – like the philosopher’s stone that could turn lead into gold. Prosperity without work is a dream of the ages.

Over and above this are those who understand that political power is controlled by those who control the money supply. Liberals and conservatives, Republicans and Democrats came to believe, as they were taught in our universities, that deficits don’t matter and that Federal Reserve accommodation by monetizing debt is legitimate and never harmful. The truth is otherwise. Central economic planning is always harmful. Inflating the money supply and purposely devaluing the dollar is always painful and dangerous.

The policies of big-government proponents are running out of steam. Their policies have failed and will continue to fail. Merely doing more of what caused the crisis can hardly provide a solution.

The good news is that Austrian economists are gaining more acceptance every day and have a greater chance of influencing our future than they’ve had for a long time.

The basic problem is that proponents of big government require a central bank in order to surreptitiously pay bills without direct taxation. Printing needed money delays the payment. Raising taxes would reveal the true cost of big government, and the people would revolt. But the piper will be paid, and that’s what this crisis is all about.

There are limits. A country cannot forever depend on a central bank to keep the economy afloat and the currency functionable through constant acceleration of money supply growth. Eventually the laws of economics will overrule the politicians, the bureaucrats and the central bankers. The system will fail to respond unless the excess debt and mal-investment is liquidated. If it goes too far and the wild extravagance is not arrested, runaway inflation will result, and an entirely new currency will be required to restore growth and reasonable political stability.

The choice we face is ominous: We either accept world-wide authoritarian government holding together a flawed system, OR we restore the principles of the Constitution, limit government power, restore commodity money without a Federal Reserve system, reject world government, and promote the cause of peace by protecting liberty equally for all persons. Freedom is the answer.

See the Ron Paul File



November 22, 2008

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i love Ron Paul. seriously - the only voice of reason that get's a halfarsed shoe-in.

but he'll be shot i'm sure. or have a heart attack. or the feds will pay a crack addict to pop him.
 
Seriously BC? Hes just spouting a series of motherhood statements. Its all just rhetoric.

I challenge you to find 1 concrete statement in that speech.
 
I challenge you to find 1 concrete statement in that speech.
I know Ron Paul and don't feel like reading that post tonight but I'll tell you the first sentence is correct: "The Austrians Were Right".

Was it this thread or another BC said "sabotage not terrorism"? No matter how I look at it I can't believe all those brains "thought it was a good idea at the time" to destroy the middle class on a global scale.

I have already suggested one group which stands to gain and has the power to cause it. To have allowed this to happen inadvertently would have needed monumental stupidity. To belive in such stupidity would require a little nievity, methinks. :D
 
boomie - Ron Paul has spoken out on MANY MANY more issues than just the economy.

check out some vids on YouTube - he is the inconvenient truth for a lot of pollies.

i particularly like the one where he is grilling McCain the night before another debate (that Ron Paul was uninvited to) and at the end of the interview you can hear McCain remark under his breath "well, we won't miss you tomorrow!"...
 
I know Ron Paul and don't feel like reading that post tonight but I'll tell you the first sentence is correct: "The Austrians Were Right".

Sunfish:
I respect your opinions but a statement that "The Austrians were Right" is an expression of opinion only.

I stand by my comment that Ron Paul's speech above is nothing but rhetoric.
 
boomie - Ron Paul has spoken out on MANY MANY more issues than just the economy.

check out some vids on YouTube - he is the inconvenient truth for a lot of pollies.

i particularly like the one where he is grilling McCain the night before another debate (that Ron Paul was uninvited to) and at the end of the interview you can hear McCain remark under his breath "well, we won't miss you tomorrow!"...

BC Ill try to have a look tom night.
 
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