Dr Stanley's research - do you agree ??

For those who haven’t read “The Millionaire Mind” by Thomas J Stanley PhD, here is what I consider to be the fillet of the book, located on pages 6-10. Hopefully it doesn't breach copyright laws.


The data was collated from full surveys from over 700 US millionaires. How valuable is that ?? I think most of it is transferable and therefore relevant for Ozzies ;


FAMILY

1. Median age is 54. Been married for 28 years.
2. On average, we have 3 children.
3. Most of us, 92% are married. Of those married, 95% have children.
4. Only 2% have never been married. Only 3% are widowed.


WEALTH / INCOME / ARTIFACTS

1. On average, our households have a net worth of 9.2M. The median net worth amongst us is 4.3M. The average figure is skewed way higher by those respondents who have very high levels of wealth.
2. Our household’s total annual realized income is 749K p.a. The median income is 436K p.a. Once again, the really high income earners skew the average up. 20% of us earn more than 1M p.a.
3. Despite our income, the typical member of our group hasn’t spent more than 41K on a car or 4.5K on an engagement ring. Neither our spouses nor we have ever spent more than $ 38 on a haircut.
4. One quarter of the group have never spent more than
a) $ 24 on a haircut.
b) 340K on a home
c) 31K for a car
d) 1.5K for an engagement ring


INHERITED WEALTH

1. We live in fine homes in quality neighbourhoods, but only 2% of us inherited all or any part of our homes and property.
2. Some of us have inherited a portion of our wealth. Nearly 8% inherited 50% or more of our net wealth. In sharp contract, 61% of us never received any inheritance, financial gifts, or income from an estate or trust fund distribution.


HOME STYLE

1. Nearly all of us (97%) are homeowners.
2. About 12 years ago we purchased our current home for an average price of 559K. The median for the group was 435K. We have all enjoyed good appreciation on our homes. The average value has risen to 1.38M and the median value has risen to 750K.
3. We generally have small outstanding mortgage balances on our PPoR.
4. Most of us (61%) live in homes that are currently valued at more than 1M. But only 1 in 4 paid 1M or more for their homes.
5. One in ten of us purchased a home in the 3 years following the big stock market crash of ’87. Many of us who did were searching for a foreclosure.
6. We live in a home that was constructed over 40 years ago (median age of house). One quarter of us live in homes that are more than 70 years old. Only 10% of us live in homes that are less than 10 years old.
7. The majority of us (53%) have not moved in the last 10 years. Only 23% of us have moved more than twice in the last 10 years.
8. Only a minority of us (27%) has ever had a home of any type built for us. We of the millionaire mind believe that it is better to purchase an existing home than to “get into the building business”. It is much less time consuming and probably costs less.
9. The profession amongst us who are least likely to have homes built for them are the lawyers. We have to wonder why they are so reluctant to build.


OUR VOCATION

1. About 1 in 3 (32%) of us are business owners or entrepreneurs. 16% of us are senior corporate executives. 10% of our group are lawyers. 9% are doctors. The other one third of our population are composed of retirees, corporate middle managers, accountants, sales professionals, engineers, architects, teachers, professors and housewives.
2. Business owners overall are the richest of our group, but senior executives are often amongst the ranks. Senior executives make up 16% of millionaires, but nearly 26% of the deca-millionaires (greater than 10M).
3. Nearly 50% of our wives do not work outside of the family home. Those who are employed are business owners or entrepreneurs (7%), sales (5%), corporate middle managers (4%), lawyers (4%), teachers (3%), senior corporate executives (3%) and doctors (2%).
4. About two thirds of us who are deca-millionaires report that their wives do not work outside of the home. About one half of those who do work only work part-time.


OUR EDUCATION

1. We are well educated. Fully 90% of us are college graduates. More than one half (52%) of us hold advanced degrees.


OTHER ASPECTS OF OUR LIVES

1. We are financially independent, yet we tend to live a comfortable, not extravagant lifestyle.
2. Many of us cluster in certain suburbs. We live in fine homes, but we have little debt. We tend to buy homes when many others are selling.
3. Almost all of us are married and have children. In fact, most of us believe that having a family complements, not competes with the process of building wealth.
4. We are generally self-made.
5. We vacation overseas about once every two years.
6. Few of us have Phi Beta Kappa keys or scored 1400 or higher on our SATs (no idea what all of that means !!)
7. Most of us love our chosen professions, or as one of the wealthier members put it “it is not work, it is a labour of love”.
8. Few of us found it necessary to get out of bed at 3 or 4am each work day in order to accumulate wealth.
9. many of us play golf and/or tennis on a regular basis. In fact, there is a strong correlation between playing golf and the level of our net worth. (Which one comes first but ?? haha)
10. We must admit that we are not into DIY tasks. Those amongst us who are good with our hands tend to have significantly less wealth than the average for our group.
11. We became rich without compromising our integrity. We credit our integrity with significantly contributing to our wealth. (hmmm….not that they’d ever admit the contrary).
12. We are not workaholics, we spend a lot of time socializing with family and friends. When we do work, we work hard. We focus our energy to maximize the return of our efforts.
13. We spend a lot of time planning our investing and consulting with our tax advisors. But many of us also have time to attend religious services and are active in raising funds for noble causes.
14. We believe that it is more than possible to balance one’s financial goals with an enjoyable lifestyle. There is a positive correlation between the number of lifestyle activities that we partake in and our level of net worth. (No hermits then ??)
15. Often our lifestyle brings us into contact with people who eventually become our clients / customers etc.
16. For many of our activities, we have found that the old adage to be true….the best things in life are free, or at least reasonably priced. It doesn’t cost much to attend your son or daughter’s sporting event, visit a museum, or play bridge with good friends. It’s much less than a trip to the casino.


FOUNDATION STONES

1. Integrity – being honest with people.
2. Discipline – applying self control.
3. Social skills – getting along with people.
4. A supportive spouse.
5. Hard work – more than most people.



Do those characteristics described above slot in with your mental image of how a millionaire thinks and therefore acts ??
 
Thanks for that Dazz

One thing that comes accross is that as a group they are quite solid and not making radical changes in their lives.

Seems like they stay in their home, marriage for a significant period of time.

They come accross as more "careful" than "risk takers"

I can relate to some aspects but see nothing wrong with enjoying wealth and plurging on the many pleasures life offers.

Interesting comments about relationship between DIY / golf and level of wealth in the group.

Didn't get the stats on what the working women did? And I am assuming they only interviewed men?
 
Very interesting. When I become a millionaire I'll definitely have a car worth more than 31k though. I think those with a cheap car would have some other expensive "toy"
 
If you look at money as a tool you try not to use that tool for any thing else eg[cars, boats, etc] because when you lose the tool {money} it cant make you any more money, none of us know whats around the corner, i thought i would buy myself a 98mod 911 when i made 1mill but i didnt, it seems silly now, just want to buy time with my 7y daughter,i will wait intill she wants a 98 porshe.
has anyone ever noticed the rich people have garden weddings and the lower class get the hire rolls royce and limmos, and their oldies give them the biggest and best they could ever afford, strange dont you think.
 
Pretty good summation I guess, but some of those stats are useless. For example:

4. One quarter of the group have never spent more than
b) 340K on a home

1. We are well educated. Fully 90% of us are college graduates. More than one half (52%) of us hold advanced degrees.

The first one is uselss because it could have meant that they bought homes when 340K for a home was considered expensive.

The second one because they could have simply targeted a certain group of millionaires. When I read the BRW Young Rich a few years back, only about 1/3 of the people on the list had a tertiary education.

Mark
 
Very interesting. When I become a millionaire I'll definitely have a car worth more than 31k though. I think those with a cheap car would have some other expensive "toy"

Yeah, except that cars are cheap in the USA.

US: 350z "Enthusiast" spec: $37aud / $31k (usd)
AU: 350z "Track" spec (roughly equiv): $69k (aud) / $56k USD

Quite the difference.

I'm sure for $31k in the US you can get a well-optioned Audi to keep the Jones's from gossiping about you.

Thanks for posting the excerpt Dazz - it sounds to me like the "we" surveyed are quite well balanced.
 
G'day Dazz

I've read other posts where you refer to these findings, so it's obviously a book that resonates with you and left an impression.

It's one of my favourite wealth mindset books. I first read it 7 or 8 years ago. Whilst some of the figures are obviously biased to the US, the principles are very sound.

I think, for me at least, the take home message from the book is that non-material/fiscal core values take precedence to (and ultimately can contribute to) the accumulation of wealth.

The typical millionaire as described in the book is detached from the "stuff". They enjoy things/toys/possessions, etc however they do not define themselves with them. In contrast to the under-accumulators of wealth who spend it all and then some on trophy homes and trinketts.

My view is that stuff/trinketts, homes/cars/boats are fruits of having done the hard yards first and ensuring that your money is working for you at outset. I'm also generalsing here, and don't intend that one shouldn't reward oneself along the way. Moderation and some control/discipline is necessary to not jeopardise the wealth journey that leads to these things and more.

We all have a choice to spend less than we earn and invest the difference in growth vehicles and become wealthy or to spend all we earn and remain ostentatiously poor. I have heard of some seven figure income earners, who have had to run an overdraft to pay their tax bill due to lavish and unrestrained spending during the year.

Thanks for the summary, it's a welcome refresher for me.
 
thanks for the refresher dazz ... i do have the book but think it's one of those that went to storage for the 6 months - damn.

it was interesting to note that between us hubby and i qualified on nearly all the data in a current way (rings, houses, cars, children etc)- i did once spend more than $35 on a haircut, and it was the worst haircut i ever had. now is usually only around $27 (and i cut hubby's hair for free) - and we have only been together 10 years, but given i've another 14 to go before hitting the prime age, we'll be close.

the golf thing ... i remember reading either donald t or robert k saying that they never do business with anyone without first taking them for a round of golf. in a social yet compeitive environment they learn so much more about a person than sitting at a conference table. one story stuck out that the person they were going to deal with thought they weren't looking and moved their ball out of the rough. end result was that they realised that if this person would cheat at a social game of golf, then they didn't want to risk their money with them.

i wonder what the female equivilent of networking "golf" is?
 
i wonder what the female equivilent of networking "golf" is?

Maybe lunch and a shop. I did that recently with a long term girlfriend and boy by the end of the day I knew that I would, never ever do business with her. It's amazing what seeing a person you think you know quite well deal with strangers, taking mobile calls, and making decisions can do. And this was some-one more than generous in terms of paying the bill etc. I imagine bills at cafes can be quite illuminating business wise too.

I came away thinking she was impatient, insensitive of others, reactive to events, and above all wants to be in ultimate control.
 
Thanks Dazz
Think I better get the book!

Very high percentages for married with kids. And married a long time.

Maybe the attributes needed to become independantly wealthy are also required to make a marriage/family work long term?
 
Maybe the attributes needed to become independantly wealthy are also required to make a marriage/family work long term?

Not necessarily. Take me for example. If I was to get married and/or have kids, it would set back my wealth building by several years. A lot of people aren't gonna like hearing this, but marriage and kids are a wallet vacuum.

Mark
 
Not necessarily. Take me for example. If I was to get married and/or have kids, it would set back my wealth building by several years. A lot of people aren't gonna like hearing this, but marriage and kids are a wallet vacuum.

Mark

In light of stats, that sounds short sighted. Having the right partner might turn out long term to be priceless, having kids might put things into perspective in a poisitive way, help keep you focused on setting up their future, as well as your own.

So the small "wallet vacuum" is quickly overshadowed by much bigger positives.
 
Well, you know what they say about stats... If people wanna get married and have kids, then I say - the best of luck to you, I hope you're happy! But getting married and having children is certainly not going to improve (or make it less likely, for that matter) your chances of achieving wealth.

Getting divorced on the other hand....

Mark
 
9. The profession amongst us who are least likely to have homes built for them are the lawyers. We have to wonder why they are so reluctant to build.

Can definately understand that comment when dealing with disputes between owners and builders and knowing some of the things that can go wrong.

Once acted for a family who had their family home built. The concreting had not been done properly when the brickwork was done. One day just hosing a wall - it fell down! Needless to say problems then followed.
thanks
 
Well, you know what they say about stats... If people wanna get married and have kids, then I say - the best of luck to you, I hope you're happy! But getting married and having children is certainly not going to improve (or make it less likely, for that matter) your chances of achieving wealth.

Kind of sad to think that somebody would make a decision about marriage and family in this light :rolleyes:
 
the gut feeling perspective i get about what dazz wrote is that money is not the issue. these people don't sit and count how much they have, how much is coming in, how much is going out, the need to prove to the world how much (by buying expensive cars/houses/holidays) ... they are beyond the counting and showing off stage.

that's a mindset.
 
The wealthy usually know their financial position at all times.

FWIW, most of the HNW people i know are small/medium business owners with some property, little or no tertiary education, risk takers and bloody hard workers. Oh and most love their toys.

the gut feeling perspective i get about what dazz wrote is that money is not the issue. these people don't sit and count how much they have, how much is coming in, how much is going out, the need to prove to the world how much (by buying expensive cars/houses/holidays) ... they are beyond the counting and showing off stage.

that's a mindset.
 
Kind of sad to think that somebody would make a decision about marriage and family in this light :rolleyes:

I made up my mind that getting married and having kids was not an option for me personally when I was about 12. It's just not something that I've ever wanted and never will. This decision was made looooooong before I even thought about financial independence.

Mark
 
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