manufacturing equity

SS'ers I am going over my figures and trying to work out the value of manufacturing equity through renovations. If I had an IP worth $450K and I spent $50k (cash) on renovations, and then the IP was revalued at $500K what would be the benefit ? I would actually have less cash as the equity pull would be reduce the funds to 40K (assuming I had to maintain 90% ratio).

Am I missing something ?
 
If you spend money renovating, you should be aiming for 2 things.

1. The end value is increased by at least 2x what you spent. In your example, end value now at least $550k.

2. Your rent or yield is increased or at the very least, able to attract a better pool of tenants.
 
Am I missing something ?
Sometime a reno is about getting more rent and a better type of tenant. I bought a very run down but nice and solid house rented for $330 pw. I spent around $10k and a couple of month renovating. My investment partner and myself did most of the work ourselves out of choice. Anyway, afterward the rent is $440 pw. I can't give you a before and after value because a local area property mini-boom, rezoning and changes to state government policies (multi-unit code) have completely distorted the value. For sure the value has increased far more than the $10k investment, but that is not what the reno was about. In terms of tenants, the new tenants are fantastic.
 
No you're not missing anything but as others have eluded to, it's your strategy that's important.

Of course ideally you would add significant value to the property and increase the rental income in every situation. However, unfortunately property isn't always like that!

For instance, if you have identified an excellent capital growth area, then when purchasing you may find it very difficult to buy a bargain. However, in this case, you can ride the wave of the capital growth with a sort of compounding effect if you were to renovate it first. You'd also have the benefit of higher income and hopefully better tenants. This is more of a long term strategy where you are not looking for immediately equity gain to go on and recycle for another deal.

If you are looking to manufacture equity in your property, say for the purpose of buying again, then you will certainly need the right property in the right area (ie the worst house in the street will not usually make you the most money). A good strategy I find is to buy under value (and under the median ideally), renovate it well, then reval/sell over the median. The trick is going to be in the phrase 'renovate it well' which doesn't necessarily mean a complete strip/start again job. Most of my clients at least double their money (after all expenses) from their renovation even though many don't always do predictable renovations such as new kitchen, new flooring, new vanity - blah blah blah... (you can tell I get sick of the generic answers people give to the 'how shall I renovate my property' questions!). Every property is unique and does not require the same treatment as seemingly similar properties in the area.

It would be fairly unusual to buy under value in a high capital growth area (though I do know people have done it!) - but if you can do it, you will get instant equity as well as capital growth over a period of time. Usually you would choose one or the other (immediate equity or gradual equity growth).

It all depends on your strategy. There are loads of property coaches and specialists out there who will help you identify your best strategy. Feel free to message me and I'd be happy to pass you on a contact name or two. I know of one excellent Australia-wide company who offer a lifetime property coaching membership for $10,000 (probably a fraction of your profit even on the first deal).

There is evidence everywhere in every suburb, so before you do/buy anything, be sure to head to RP Data, Real estate agents to find out your probable reval/rental income etc figures you would expect to earn once the reno is completed.
 
. There are loads of property coaches and specialists out there who will help you identify your best strategy. Feel free to message me and I'd be happy to pass you on a contact name or two. I know of one excellent Australia-wide company who offer a lifetime property coaching membership for $10,000 (probably a fraction of your profit even on the first deal).
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Why not post the links to these lifetime property coaching memberships for 10k on this site plus not everyone makes money on reno's..
 
I must admit whenever I looked at renovations as a way of making big $, I found it very difficult for the numbers to stack up, because we have to pay stamp duty on the way in and CGT if selling on the way out. Most of the projects I looked at did not have enough fat in them.

The only way I made good returns on renovations was when it was a rising market and the growth was what saved the day.

Just my experience that is why I jumped straight into developing as it was far easier to make greater returns.

MTR:)
 
Why not post the links to these lifetime property coaching memberships for 10k on this site plus not everyone makes money on reno's..
Well that's the whole point - not everyone does make money on reno's but everyone can if they do the right things and get the right advice. People have a choice about whether they renovate an existing or new property or not. I'm saying that people need to do their numbers first.

Its not all about picking nice colours and putting in a nice kitchen!

Re property coaches - I know the guys through Positive Real Estate really well and they have a great mentoring programme. I initially didn't include their name as admin don't like advertising companies on here (however I am recommending and get no financial benefit from them so perhaps it is ok).
 
Jane - Hotspace; Re property coaches - I know the guys through Positive Real Estate really well and they have a great mentoring programme. I initially didn't include their name as admin don't like advertising companies on here (however I am recommending and get no financial benefit from them so perhaps it is ok).[/QUOTE said:
Do they???? Search will tell a different story
 
Ah yes another reason not to mention names on here.

Well, people will have their opinions. My experience with PRE has always been 100%. I can't speak for others and I stand by what I said. They are a great organisation who have helped dozens of my clients make A LOT of money.

Often when people criticize a coach/coaching organisation (I have seen it before), it's because they (the client) failed to do the work/research etc that they were advised to do and everything turned to 'you know what', so they needed someone to blame.

Just my opinion!
 
That's good you have had a great experience.

I have not used them, but just some preliminary enquiries some years ago turned me right off.

I don't like the fact that they mentor and source properties, not to mention I was advised that those joining their mentoring programme get the best pick, red flag straight away. Nice way to turn clients right off.

I have not looked at this company recently, however I have been told they source land and house packages, once again are they just using one company, what are commissions? Concerns about conflict of interest, the model BA/Mentoring.

SS has many threads on various mentor groups etc. its a mixed bag, I think its good to hear positive stories but in the main we don't get this often for various reasons. At the end of the day success will come down to the investor IMO, its as simple as that.

MTR:)
 
Thanks for the replies - the company sounds a bit like the theory behind Alliance Corp except they charge $2000 membership plus $10,000 per property plus management fees for any new builds (I am only interested in established houses).
 
Logan your question is one many people ponder and your numbers indicate why it is so important to plan and get it right before you purchase a property, because alot of people do get it wrong and loose money when renovating.

The simple keys to renovating and making money in my opinion:

1. Understand the pricing disparity between renovated and unrenovated properties in your target area. Just because a property looks like crap doesn't mean a renovating it will make you money.

2. Buy the right property ripe for a renovation profit. After working through a thorough checklist of costs and potential to add value and estimated end-value, based on extensive research of that market, you can work out if a property has profit potential. Unless you do this you won't know if there is money to be made.

3. Decide on your renovation strategy. Are you going to renovate and hold or renovate and flip. In both strategies you need to be very very tight on your costs, budget and the value you add, but more so in flipping. The reality is flipping in the lower end of the market is tough. When I interviewed John Edwards (Founder of Residex) recently he suggested doing it under a $600k buy price is very difficult. It can be done but the margin for making money is lower.

4. Aim to convert every $1 spent into at least $2 in value.

5. The right property, in the right area with the right finance structure, that is ripe for renovation still may not make you money, unless you plan and execute your renovation on-time and on-budget.

Yep it is hard work, and there is heavy lifting needed up front. But as a renovator myself and with a portfolio that started with a renovation and that has grown with renovation as my strategy, I know that if done right it can make you money.

So Logan keep asking the questions till you find the formulae that works for you.

Hope this serves you

Jane Slack-Smith
 
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