Planning application for 6-storey apartment block development for PPOR + 2 properties

I would like to put in a planning application for a 6-storey apartment development on a flat block of 1925m, frontage 50m. I need to do this by 1 July 2014.
The precedent is that VCAT has approved a 4-storey development nearby and classed the area as a Neighbourhood Activity Centre (NAC).
Anybody ever done this before, how much does this cost?
Many thanks in advance.
 
You need to engage the following experts:
1. Architect
2. Town Planner
3. Other experts (soil tester, traffic engineer etc)
 
Why do I need a soil tester? A few townhouse developments already in front of the site, thanks.

Because that's the requirement under the law plus for your own DD to work out how much / type of rock is underneath your site so you know what to expect if you start digging.
 
And soil requirements and issues for townhouses is vastly different for a 6 story building.

We recently did a 4 storey + basement car park on the Gold Coast - much different to townhouses.

You will probably also need consultants for noise and landscaping.
 
And soil requirements and issues for townhouses is vastly different for a 6 story building.

We recently did a 4 storey + basement car park on the Gold Coast - much different to townhouses.

You will probably also need consultants for noise and landscaping.

And the soil test is pretty pricey compared to a basic one required for townhouses.

You would most likely need a traffic consultant and acoustic engineer too.

Oscar
 
Description of the development's surrounding amenity

And soil requirements and issues for townhouses is vastly different for a 6 story building.

We recently did a 4 storey + basement car park on the Gold Coast - much different to townhouses.

You will probably also need consultants for noise and landscaping.

And the soil test is pretty pricey compared to a basic one required for townhouses.

You would most likely need a traffic consultant and acoustic engineer too.

Oscar

You need to engage the following experts:
1. Architect
2. Town Planner
3. Other experts (soil tester, traffic engineer etc)

Thanks for the input and advice, guys.
Yup, familiar with traffic consultants and acoustic engineer - sat through 3 days of VCAT panel hearings, had the 4 storey developer's expensive silk/barrister call upon expert testimony from traffic consultant, acoustic engineer (Frank Butera from ARUP), waste management consultant, planning consultant (Ken Twite).

The VCAT panel member who presided over the hearings was on the panel that approved the Tecoma MacDonalds. Extremely pro-development.

I have ploughed through all the consultants reports about the 4 storey development, addressing Council and residents objections.

Council could only oppose it on 2 planning points - the tall visually, blocky presentation and interface with the main street/neighbours and the reduction in the standard rate of carparking. This is happening with all proposed developments I hear, the reduction in carparking requirements as the Liberal State Government has lowered the Victoria State Statutory requirements even further which will work in favour of our 6-storey development.

But I never heard a presentation from a soil tester which would have been particularly crucial for the 4 storey development as they are building 38 dwellings on a ex-petrol station on land 1400m+. The land is contaminated which is why I presume the developer has to dig down to excavate the soil to build a deeper than normal basement carpark. The Council has placed very strict permit conditions prior to the construction or carrying out works pursuant to the permit, requiring

1. a Certificate of Environmental Audit for the land must be issued in accordance with Section 53Y of the Environment Protection Act 1970 and provided to the Responsible Authority

2. An Environmental Auditor appointed under section 53S of the Environmental Protection Act 1970 must make a Statement in accordance with Section 53Z of that Act that the environmental conditions of the land are suitable for the use and development that are the subject of this permit and that statement must be provided to the Responsible Authority.

Our land site of 1925m will not be subject to these strict environmental audits by Council as firstly, it is not contaminated land, it is a purely residential north-facing block and secondly, I do not believe we have to dig down to build a basement carpark as starting from the left boundary of my site are 70-100 public angle carpark spaces that face a huge reserve the size of 2.5 football fields. The reserve had a $500,000 facelift recently with native trees planted, bbq facilities, exercise and fitness equipment, a basket ball court an benches and tables for picnics. People jog around the reserve, do brisk walking, walk their dogs and play cricket in the summer.

At the back of the property site is another 120-150 public carpark spaces for the tennis club courts, the lawn bowls club, the reserve and function room.

All the public carparks are heavily under-utilised. They are often empty except maybe on certain Saturdays in summer and spring when there is a lawn bowl competition.

On the right boundary of my site is the Business Zone 1 shopping strip which has a milkbar, fish and chips shop, hairdresser, clothing shop.

The 4 storey development, because it is being built on a Business Zone 1 land, has to have a IGA-type supermarket and other commercial shops on the ground floor in addition to the residential units above. That IGA supermarket will be very handy for my residents and Council should be glad that the area will be revitalised as the developer of the 4 storey also plans to open up indoor and outdoor cafes on the shopping strip.

My site is currently zoned Residential Zone 1 so no requirement to have commercial shops on ground floor. I would like ground floor units to be designed catering to the disabled and/or elderly pensioners who have to get around on a scooter.

Given that my site is 700m walking distance to the patrolled train station straight down the street, I would expect most residents who work to walk to the train station or a quick bike ride down the very wide quiet residential street, place their bikes in the bike cage and take a 25 minute train ride to the city, rather than take the car.

If they want to take a bus to another train station within the same suburb because they don't like to walk or bike, they just take a 3 minute brisk walk to the bus stop down my street.

I might even suggest to Council to have 2-3 hire electric Prius type of cars to be made available to the development which can be hired on an hourly basis if residents want to run errands in a big shopping complex 10 minutes drive away. That reduces the need for residents to own cars.

I would love for the development to have balconies in front, and at the sides, particularly on the west side where they can overlook the expansive greenery of the reserve.

My preference would be for the development to be mainly 2 bedroom and penthouse type apartments but if I have to have 1 bedroom apartments for a mixture of affordable accommodation and to maximize yield, they have to be fairly large and comfortable, like perhaps 70-80sqm. I don't know if I'm being realistic or not in all these idea, I guess I have to nut it out with a townplanner/architect. But these are my broad goals for the development.
Any comments or suggestions would be welcome.
 
Thanks for the input and advice, guys.
Yup, familiar with traffic consultants and acoustic engineer - sat through 3 days of VCAT panel hearings, had the 4 storey developer's expensive silk/barrister call upon expert testimony from traffic consultant, acoustic engineer (Frank Butera from ARUP), waste management consultant, planning consultant (Ken Twite).

The VCAT panel member who presided over the hearings was on the panel that approved the Tecoma MacDonalds. Extremely pro-development.

I have ploughed through all the consultants reports about the 4 storey development, addressing Council and residents objections.

Council could only oppose it on 2 planning points - the tall visually, blocky presentation and interface with the main street/neighbours and the reduction in the standard rate of carparking. This is happening with all proposed developments I hear, the reduction in carparking requirements as the Liberal State Government has lowered the Victoria State Statutory requirements even further which will work in favour of our 6-storey development.

But I never heard a presentation from a soil tester which would have been particularly crucial for the 4 storey development as they are building 38 dwellings on a ex-petrol station on land 1400m+. The land is contaminated which is why I presume the developer has to dig down to excavate the soil to build a deeper than normal basement carpark. The Council has placed very strict permit conditions prior to the construction or carrying out works pursuant to the permit, requiring

1. a Certificate of Environmental Audit for the land must be issued in accordance with Section 53Y of the Environment Protection Act 1970 and provided to the Responsible Authority

2. An Environmental Auditor appointed under section 53S of the Environmental Protection Act 1970 must make a Statement in accordance with Section 53Z of that Act that the environmental conditions of the land are suitable for the use and development that are the subject of this permit and that statement must be provided to the Responsible Authority.

Our land site of 1925m will not be subject to these strict environmental audits by Council as firstly, it is not contaminated land, it is a purely residential north-facing block and secondly, I do not believe we have to dig down to build a basement carpark as starting from the left boundary of my site are 70-100 public angle carpark spaces that face a huge reserve the size of 2.5 football fields. The reserve had a $500,000 facelift recently with native trees planted, bbq facilities, exercise and fitness equipment, a basket ball court an benches and tables for picnics. People jog around the reserve, do brisk walking, walk their dogs and play cricket in the summer.

At the back of the property site is another 120-150 public carpark spaces for the tennis club courts, the lawn bowls club, the reserve and function room.

All the public carparks are heavily under-utilised. They are often empty except maybe on certain Saturdays in summer and spring when there is a lawn bowl competition.

On the right boundary of my site is the Business Zone 1 shopping strip which has a milkbar, fish and chips shop, hairdresser, clothing shop.

The 4 storey development, because it is being built on a Business Zone 1 land, has to have a IGA-type supermarket and other commercial shops on the ground floor in addition to the residential units above. That IGA supermarket will be very handy for my residents and Council should be glad that the area will be revitalised as the developer of the 4 storey also plans to open up indoor and outdoor cafes on the shopping strip.

My site is currently zoned Residential Zone 1 so no requirement to have commercial shops on ground floor. I would like ground floor units to be designed catering to the disabled and/or elderly pensioners who have to get around on a scooter.

Given that my site is 700m walking distance to the patrolled train station straight down the street, I would expect most residents who work to walk to the train station or a quick bike ride down the very wide quiet residential street, place their bikes in the bike cage and take a 25 minute train ride to the city, rather than take the car.

If they want to take a bus to another train station within the same suburb because they don't like to walk or bike, they just take a 3 minute brisk walk to the bus stop down my street.

I might even suggest to Council to have 2-3 hire electric Prius type of cars to be made available to the development which can be hired on an hourly basis if residents want to run errands in a big shopping complex 10 minutes drive away. That reduces the need for residents to own cars.

I would love for the development to have balconies in front, and at the sides, particularly on the west side where they can overlook the expansive greenery of the reserve.

My preference would be for the development to be mainly 2 bedroom and penthouse type apartments but if I have to have 1 bedroom apartments for a mixture of affordable accommodation and to maximize yield, they have to be fairly large and comfortable, like perhaps 70-80sqm. I don't know if I'm being realistic or not in all these idea, I guess I have to nut it out with a townplanner/architect. But these are my broad goals for the development.
Any comments or suggestions would be welcome.


Wohooo..... Seems to be a very big project. Just wondering are you financing all project yourself or you have a financer ?
 
One thing we have done a couple of times that seems to work in regards to carparking is to have a dedicated GoGet or similar car parking spot within the complex.
 
Wohooo..... Seems to be a very big project. Just wondering are you financing all project yourself or you have a financer ?

Hahaha! I haven't even thought about that side of things yet.
I just want to beat the 1 July 2014 because on that date my site will re-zoned to GRZ - General Residential Zone which has no minimum lot size for townhouses/units but will have a 2 storey height limit.

I was told if I put my application in before 1 July 2014, my planning application will be assessed on the current existing planning scheme. I was 'strongly encouraged' to put in my application by this date by a Council town planner.
So I am just focusing on the planning application first and I want my development to be first off the blocks from the 4 storey development as his is harder to develop/decontaminate but as mine and his will be the only new apartment blocks in the entire suburb's residential area when the 3 zones come into effect - RGZ, GRZ, NRZ1/NRZ2, there should be good demand for our product as everywhere else is limited to 2 storey townhouses even if individual properties develop.

Plus, my site is surrounded by a heap of amenity plus being on a quiet wide residential street. The other developer's site is an ex-petrol station fronting a busy arterial road of the suburb.

My site will have 2 road accesses, a 5.2m wide laneway access and a wide residential street for the front acccess but I don't want to build a basement carpark as I don't believe it is needed given there is so much public carpark space next to or behind the site.
 
Beaniegirl, you have no rights over the adjoining carpark. You will be required to provide parking unless you are building on a transport hub with the expectation that the low income earners who will occupy don't have cars.
 
Agree with Scott re car parks. Traffic consultants will tell you what is required.

You won't be able to count car parks on other people's land, or public space in your ratios.
 
Agree with Scott re car parks. Traffic consultants will tell you what is required.

You won't be able to count car parks on other people's land, or public space in your ratios.

Yes, you need to meet the council's requirements for car parking for each dwelling/apartment.
 
Beaniegirl, you have no rights over the adjoining carpark. You will be required to provide parking unless you are building on a transport hub with the expectation that the low income earners who will occupy don't have cars.

Agree with Scott re car parks. Traffic consultants will tell you what is required.

You won't be able to count car parks on other people's land, or public space in your ratios.

Yes, you need to meet the council's requirements for car parking for each dwelling/apartment.

Yes, thanks for your input guys. Yes, you're right, Beanie Girl has no right over the adjoining car park spaces and neither does any applicant or developer. But Council has the right to grant a dispensation and so does VCAT.

For example, a precedent has already been recently set for the 4 storey development on the ex-petrol land with a 42% reduction in the standard rate of car parking, as recommended by Ratio consultants - Traffic Engineer and Director of Ratio consultants, Mr Russell Fairlie which was accepted by Council and upheld by VCAT.

Director Russell Fairlie recommended that the overspill of cars from the 4 storey development may park in the Council managed public parking spaces that was originally intended for the usage of the lawn bowls club/tennis clubs, and in the Council managed parking spaces for the Reserve and in our street in front of our site on both sides of our wide residential street.

The residents' objection cries that 'this was privatizing the benefit and socialising the cost' needless to say, fell on deaf ears.

The expectation from Council and from VCAT was that there would be a variety of apartment dwellers, a substantial proportion of households whom would not own a car, they would rely predominantly on public transport (bus and train) or bicycles. Council was also keen to discourage car use and instead encourage more usage and reliance of public transport and bicycles (exercise and heath benefits)
 
Better get cracking on the application. It would be a month just to get your survey completed at the moment. Everyone is flat chat.

Oscar
 
Okay, Oscar, I will get cracking, would you recommend anyone who specialises in 5-6 storey developments?

I'm sure there is a decent architect or two on the forum who you can make your initial enquiries to. I'd offer to help but we aren't taking on new applications until the second half of the year.
 
I'm sure there is a decent architect or two on the forum who you can make your initial enquiries to. I'd offer to help but we aren't taking on new applications until the second half of the year.

Oh what a shame! Disappointed :(
A friend of mine is taking me to see an Italian architect/town planner in Lygon Street, Carlton on Monday.
I'll see how that goes. Is there any ballpark figure I could expect to pay?
 
Oh what a shame! Disappointed :(
A friend of mine is taking me to see an Italian architect/town planner in Lygon Street, Carlton on Monday.
I'll see how that goes. Is there any ballpark figure I could expect to pay?

Hmmm....double the figure you have in mind. I reckon you'd be close. Apartment developments are costly, very technical.
 
Oh what a shame! Disappointed :(
A friend of mine is taking me to see an Italian architect/town planner in Lygon Street, Carlton on Monday.
I'll see how that goes. Is there any ballpark figure I could expect to pay?

We once use a very well-known architectural firm for our highrise development TP application, mostly due to marketing purposes. The fee is around 100k, but it is for TP & VCAT only. The full fee may be around 3-5% cost of work.
 
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