A BIG answer to a BIG post
Quintets post is a BIG post and there’s a LOT in it.
I’ll try to answer without glossing over anything too much but also aware that it would be impossible to answer all the questions without writing another book.
First, and my best advice to anyone is…
Don’t overstretch. You seem to have a great strategy and you have a buffer built in. That’s excellent. Keep that sensible head on your shoulders and don’t give into pressure to take too many risks.
It’s easy to let your desire to get ahead get in the road of sensible strategy.
My approach has always been buy as much as you can without overstretching and then just wait.
I am sure other people may have more to contribute here on what to do when you run out of cash but my approach has always been patience tempered with some trading.
My older strategy (still implemented BTW) of using options and my recent strategy of CPT’s to generate cash flow are obviously well discussed in this thread so I won’t elaborate too much on those strategies.
It is well known that I am not a fan of CF+ property for the sake of cash flow. There is nothing wrong with earning an income from your property portfolio and you know the old saying, “nobody ever went broke making a profit”, but, as I have said, if I am looking for cash flow for cash flow’s sake I believe there are better “instruments” for that.
It’s like trying to make a car float – (I saw one recently that looks like an MX5 for about $180,000) possible but what’s the point (when you can buy and MX5 AND a boat for less than $100K)?
I go purely for growth in my property portfolio and that has always been my primary consideration when selecting property to buy. This doesn't suit everybody but I am happy with my strategy.
I chose options because that was the first trading seminar I went to and took to them like a duck to water. There is no more to it than that.
I have always found them easy – but I must say many people do not. And most people in the options market lose money – my guess is 90%, so it certainly isn’t for everyone. Good training and good strategy can put the odds well in your favour and so it is far from impossible to learn – just take it easy if you are going to get started – that's all.
In the end picking “what” (options, futures, shares, property, CFD’s, currency, etc) to trade is less important than developing skill so that’s why I stick to options – I just couldn’t be bothered learning anything else. SKILL is critical - you need to be able to stay in the market long enough for it to reveal its secrets to you.
I am happy to answer some of your questions…
How much time does this REALLY take per day? I don't really believe all these adverts for covered calls options trading courses saying "Just 10 minutes a day".
It takes me less than 10 minutes a day... No really it does. Now that I have been doing it for 10 years I have a pattern. It is important to say that a LOT of people will dispute what I am about to say and they may well have valid points but this is what works for me.
A few days prior to the expiry of my written options I stop and have a look at the position of the share, and I decide what to do. Obviously this depends on whether the share has gone up, down or sideways. I then plan my strategy and monitor it for the next few days. On expiry day I pay closer attention and exercise a defensive strategy if necessary. If not I just wait and do nothing and write again the next day. I then do NOT look at the share again until the end of the month, unless… I have my trading software set to alert me if the share moves more than a certain percentage (usually about 5% but it depends on the share), during the month and if it does I check it and keep an eye on it. If not I literally have nothing to do all month.
Some months I have ½ an hour per day’s work to do, some months I have nothing to do.
Now that I manage my client’s money we have meetings every morning to discuss our approach for the day but this extra diligence is for my client’s benefit and if it wasn’t their money on the line I wouldn’t do it.
All of this however is on the back of over a decade of experience.
When I was first starting it would take about an hour a day and I would fuss and worry and panic and do stupid things and regret them, and do smart things and regret them, and do stupid things and not know they were stupid so think they were clever, and re-analyse and draw lines all over charts and go to bed and wake up again and change my mind and do something else and regret that and wake up again and go to technical annalists meetings (and probably would have typed in forums if they had existed) and… well you get the picture. It can and did, sometimes take a while to get it right.
I'm not at the liberty in my day job to run to a phone to make a snap decision to buy or sell. What's the learning curve like?
I don’t know – to me learning is FUN – it’s the best thing I do so it never really bothered me and if I lost money I just put that down to more learning and rolled with the punches, however most people don’t seem to display that temperament and so when I ask most of my clients what the learning curve for them is like, they answer… STEEP!
I'm worried about not having enough TIME which might make a MISTAKE.
If you can’t devote the time to learning it you shouldn’t do it – full stop.
That's why I added CPT's to my strategy. Frank and friends do all the work for me.
I would like to add something more to this…
It’s about your P.S. I LOVED what you wrote. I got a vivid picture and it was wonderful.
That day you spent in the park at your picnic is more important that anything else you can do. There is no qualification to that statement.
Many people get so hung up on making money they forget why they are doing it.
I also want to say (here’s some balance for you), that the saddest stories I ever hear are people (usually men by the way) who overstretch and get into trouble with what seems to be a good motivation… their family. (I guess if it wasn’t their family nobody would have any sympathy for them so you never get to hear those stories).
They go over the top buying too many properties, or trading options or whatever, on borrowed money with no experience, cutting corners and throwing out their strategy because they are desperate to provide something better for their families (or so they say). They then get into all sorts of bother – I have heard of some going broke – and because it was all in the name of “wealth creation” just about everybody gets blamed except the person themselves.
But here’s the thing, and this is bound to be controversial, no matter what the motivation, it’s all the same thing – greed. It’s an ugly word and as soon as I bring it up people all over say, “HEY! He was just trying to help his family.”
True, but my definition of greed is, “trying to do too much too soon with too little skill with the intent of trying to get too much money too quickly”.
There is no time off for good intent. The markets don't care why you want the money - they treat you the same regardless. Greed is greed and it doesn’t matter if you are the sweetest or most evil person on the planet. It doesn’t matter if you are doing it for world domination or to try and get your family ahead. The most common form I find greed takes in everyday folk is overstretching because of the pressure to "have it all".
Money doesn’t buy anything of value. It doesn’t buy love, or health or happiness. All it does buy is "choice" (I used to say "freedom" but I have come to the conclusion it doesn't buy that either).
Whatever you do, stick to your strategy. Choice is good and it’s worth working for, but that wonderful day in the park would be wonderful if you had $10 in your pocket or $10 million. Last time I looked Nuttella was cheap!
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