Academics view of Subprime crunch

Just an extract some academic wrote, makes for interesting reading.

Subprime Geopolitics
The subprime crisis is worth analysis in its own right, though it also gives us the opportunity to discuss our own approach to economic issues. Stratfor views the world through the prism of geopolitics. In geopolitics, there is no such thing as separating a country's economy from its national security or its political interests. A nation is a nation. Academic departments divide themselves nicely into areas of study. In the real world, things are much too intertwined and sloppy for that. Geopolitics views the international system and nations as consisting of a single fabric of relationships, with economics being one of the elements.

Not all events have geopolitical significance. To rise to a level of significance, an event -- economic, political or military -- must result in a decisive change in the international system, or at least a fundamental change in the behavior of a nation. The Japanese banking crisis of the early 1990s was a geopolitically significant event. Japan, the second-largest economy in the world, changed its behavior in important ways, leaving room for another power -- China -- to move into the niche Japan had previously owned as the world's export dynamo. The dot-com meltdown was not geopolitically significant. The U.S. economy had been expanding for about nine years -- a remarkably long time -- and was due for a recession. Inefficiencies had become rampant in the system, nowhere more so than in the dot-com bubble. The sector was demolished and life went on. Lives might have been shattered, but geopolitics is unsentimental about such matters.

The Russian default of 1998 was a geopolitically significant event. It marked the end of the post-Cold War period and the beginning of the new geopolitical regime that is increasingly showing itself in Russia. The global depression of the 1920s and 1930s was enormously significant, transforming the internal political and social processes of countries such as the United States and Germany, and setting the stage for political and military processes that transformed the world. The savings and loan (S&L) crisis of the 1980s had no real geopolitical effect, and the collapse of Enron meant nothing. However, the consolidation of Russian natural gas exports under Gazprom's control is certainly a major change.

The measure of geopolitical significance is whether an event changes the global balance of power or the behavior of a major international power. Looking at the subprime crisis from a geopolitical perspective, this is the fundamental question. That a great many people are losing a great deal of money is obvious. Whether this matters in the long run -- which is what geopolitics is all about -- is another matter entirely.

The origins of the crisis seem fairly clear. Traditionally, when banks look at mortgages on homes, they carefully study the likelihood that the loan will be repaid, as well as the underlying collateral. Their revenue and profits come from the repayment of the loan or the ability to realize the value of the loan through the forced sale of the house.

Two things changed this simple model. The first started a long time ago. Encouraged by the federal government, banks that issued mortgage loans began selling those loans to other entities. This, then, created a large secondary market in bundled mortgages -- huge numbers of mortgages grouped together and sold and traded as if they were simply financial instruments, which, of course, they are.

As a result, banks began to view mortgages less as long-term investments than as transactions. They made their money on closing costs, rapidly selling the mortgages to aggregators, which in turn passed them on to others. The banks then loaned the money again. The more mortgages banks racked up, the more money they made. The risk was transferred to others.

In the past few years, two new groups of players entered the scene, one on either end of the spectrum. The first group comprised mortgage companies and brokers, nonbanking institutions whose business model was built primarily around the transaction. The brokers in particular had no skin in the game. Every time they executed a mortgage, they made money. If they didn't execute one, they didn't make money. The role of evaluating the borrower increasingly fell to these entities, neither of which was going to hold on to the debt instrument for more than a moment.

The second group was the final buyers of bundled mortgages -- increasingly, hedge funds. Hedge funds are monies gathered from various "qualified" investors -- otherwise known as rich people and institutions. They are private partnerships, so what they do with their money is between the managers and partners. No federal agency is responsible for protecting the private placement of money by the wealthy.

In a world of relatively low interest rates, wealth-seeking investors flocked to these hedge funds. Some of the older ones were superbly managed. The newer ones frequently were not. With a great deal of money in the system, there was a restless search for things to invest in -- and the secondary market in subprime mortgages appeared to be extremely attractive. Carrying relatively high rates of return, and theoretically collateralized by fairly liquid private homes, the risks of these deals appeared low and the returns on the mortgages -- particularly when you looked at the contracted increases -- seemed extremely attractive.

The fact is that no one really worried about defaults. The mortgage originators that prepared the documentation for these riskier loans certainly didn't care. They just wanted the mortgages to go through. The primary lenders didn't worry because they were going to resell them in hours or days anyway. The mortgage aggregators didn't care because they were going to resell them, too. And the final holders didn't worry because they assumed the system would permit easy refinancing of loans at sustainable interest rates, and that -- in a worst-case scenario -- they at least owned a portfolio of houses that they could bundle and sell to real estate companies, perhaps even at a profit.

The final owner of the mortgage, of course, is the loser. The assumption that subprimes could be refinanced if need be failed to take into account that higher interest rates priced these people out of the market. But the worst part is this: Many hedge funds leveraged their purchase of mortgages by using them as collateral to borrow money from the banks.

That was the tipping point. When the subprime defaults started to hit, the banks that had loaned money against the mortgage portfolios re-evaluated the loans. They called some, they stopped rollovers of others and they raised interest rates. Basically, the banks started reducing the valuation of the underlying assets -- subprime mortgages -- and the internal financial positions of some hedge funds started to unravel. In some cases, the hedge funds could not repay the loans because they were unable to resell their subprime mortgages. This started causing a liquidity crisis in the global banking system, and the U.S. Federal Reserve and the European Central Bank began pumping money into the system.

Told this way, this is a story of how excess emerges in a business cycle. But it is not really a very interesting story because the business cycle always ends in excess. As economic conditions improve, more people with more money chase fewer investment opportunities. They crowd into investments that seem to guarantee vast or sure returns -- and they get hammered. The economy contracts into a recession, as it tends to do twice every decade, and then life goes on.

There currently are three possibilities. One is that the subprime crisis is an overblown event that will not even represent the culmination of a business cycle. The second is that we are about to enter a normal cyclical recession. The third, and the one that interests us, is that this crisis could result in a fundamental shift in how the U.S. or the international system works.

We need to benchmark the subprime crisis against other economic crises, and the one that most readily comes to mind is the savings and loan crisis of the 1980s. The two are not identical, but each involved careless lending practices that affected the economy while devastating individuals. But looking at it in a geopolitical sense, the S&L crisis was a nonevent. It affected nothing. Bearing in mind the difficulty of quantifying such things because of definitions, let's look for an order of magnitude comparison to see whether the subprime crisis is smaller or larger than the S&L crisis before it.

Not knowing the size of the ultimate loss after workout, we try to measure the magnitude of the problem from the size of the asset class at risk. But we work from the assumption that proved true in the S&L crisis: Financial instruments collateralized against real estate, in the long run, limit losses dramatically, although the impact on individual investors and homeowners can be devastating. We have no idea of the final workout numbers on subprime. That will depend on the final total of defaults, the ability to refinance, the ability to sell the houses and the price received. The final rectification of the subprime will be a small fraction of the total size of the pool.

Therefore, we look at the size of the at-risk pool, compared to the size of the economy as a whole, to get a sense of the order of magnitude we are dealing with. In looking at the assets involved and comparing them to the gross domestic product (GDP), the overall size of the economy, the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. estimates that the total amount of assets involved in that crisis was $519 billion. Note that these are assets in the at-risk class, not failed loans. The size of the economy from 1986 to 1989 (the period of greatest turmoil) was between $4.5 trillion and $5.5 trillion. So the S&L crisis involved assets of between 8 percent and 10 percent of GDP. The final losses incurred amounted to about 3 percent of GDP, incurred over time.

The size of the total subprime market is estimated by Reuters to be about $500 billion. Again, this is the total asset pool, not nonperforming loans. The GDP of the United States today is about $14 trillion. That means this crisis represents about 3.5 percent of GDP, compared to between 9 percent and 10 percent of GDP in the S&L crisis. If history repeats itself -- which it won't precisely -- for the subprime crisis to equal the S&L crisis, the entire asset base would have to be written off, and that is unlikely. That would require a collapse in the private home market substantially greater than the collapse in the commercial real estate market in the 1980s -- and that was quite a terrific collapse.

Now, many arguments could be made that the estimates here are faulty or that different concepts should be used. We will concede that there are several ways of looking at this crisis. But in trying to get a handle on it strictly from a geopolitical perspective, this gives us a benchmark with which to analyze the mess.

Can it balloon into something greater? The big risk is that the weak hands in the game, the hedge funds, are suddenly coming into possession of a great number of houses that they will have to put on the market simultaneously in fire sales. That could force home prices down. At the same time, most homes are not at risk, and their owners are not hedge funds. Moreover, it is not clear whether most of the hedge funds that own subprime mortgages will be forced to try to monetize the underlying assets. It is far from clear whether the crisis will affect home prices decisively. If home prices were to collapse at the rate that commercial real estate collapsed in the 1980s, we would revisit the issue. But, unlike commercial real estate, in which price declines force more properties on the market, home real estate has the opposite tendency when prices decline -- inventory contracts. So, unless this crisis can pyramid to forced sales in excess of the subprime market, we do not see this rising to geopolitical significance.

From this, two conclusions emerge: First, this is far from being a geopolitically significant event. Second, it is not clear whether this is large enough to represent the culminating event in this business cycle. It could advance to that, but it is not there yet. We cannot preclude the possibility, though it seems more likely to be a stress point in an ongoing business cycle.

Apart from discussing the subprime issue, this crisis offers us an opportunity to explain how we view economic activity. First, we try to understand, at a fairly high level, what exactly happened, much as we would approach a war or a coup. Then we try to compare this event to other events whose outcomes we know. And, finally, we try to place it on a continuum ranging from fundamental geopolitical change to normal background noise. This is more than normal background noise, but it has not yet risen even to the level of a routine, cyclical shift in the business cycle.
 
Thanks for postiong that chilliaa. Brilliant stuff.
Some interpretation would be required for the Australian market though (due to major differences in securitisation requirements).
 
Can someone summarize in dot format?

Did someone put the 1929 Crash book you keep referring to into dot format for you too ?

I'll do this one for you -

  • The subprime crisis might cause the destruction of the global financial system, but it might not.

For those that prefer to do their own research, it's well worth reading - thanks.
 
sorry guys got it off a paying subscription based site from overseas. No longer a paying member but for some reason i can still access their site using my old id and password. Hence as you can imagine i cant start asking questions as i am not supposed to be there.
Please dont ask me obviously what the site is, i want to keep being able to read their stuff.
regards
chilli
 
Did someone put the 1929 Crash book you keep referring to into dot format for you too ?

I'll do this one for you -

  • The subprime crisis might cause the destruction of the global financial system, but it might not.

For those that prefer to do their own research, it's well worth reading - thanks.

I did not ask you to answer if you donot have the ability to summarize it. I thought it was a very serious reading and certainly I do not fully comprehand it. I am seriouly doubting how many people really understand it, even you.

You donot have to do these ironically (donot how to spell)? and quote my post. I was asking a very serious question!!:mad:
 
hi all
not sure who has joined a free e letter called john mauldin's
I get it and it is very interesting and does explain the reasons behind this correction
and for me will have a very big effect on the australian market not only the share market.
there is two things to remember and there always come to the front of my mind when I see posts saying to invest in america.

why don't they invest thenselves
because now they can't
if you go for a no doc loan or low doc in the states for anything over 417k you have little chance of getting it anywhere.
there market is about to correct and I will not be suprised if it has a 50% correction in areas that have no doc
or what they call liar loans.
just as we have areas that where hit when rates moved and you had your problems in blacktown campbelltown st marys etc
well they have areas alot larger.
and the problem has not start as yet.
we hear here on revers equity loans or delayed interest increases.
the loan starts at 2% 1st year and 3% then 4% then 5% etc
they have started here but they have been in the states for a long time.
the problem is that these loans take the second or third year until they get into problems.
and if you look at the graphs from some of these analysis these loans have not started to faulter yet
all those loans are these types of arms or cdo what ever you want to call them.
they have a group that we don't have here
and they are financial engineers and they put these structures together
well for me those structures have not started to fall as yet and when they do we are all in for a rocky road.
it would do well for people to understand what is happening in the us as it is impacting on japan at the moment and will impact here.
and for those that wanted to invest in the us hold onto your money at this stage and instead of going to some smart investor group have a chat with a couple of liquidators as they will be wanting to talk to you soon.
this correction is not one thing its a group
and its been on the table for some time
I had a group come to me to get involved in a hedge fund which I posted here and on property investing .com and some one said that it was his idea from memory,
well they said then and that was about 12months ago that the yen will be traded like a heart attack.
I looked at it and thought no not for me.
well they have done very nicely in and out each day with a 12% correction on some days and they are still there.
my crystal ball says that we have only seen the knife go in at this stage
and the blood is dripping from the side of the blade
I think alot of people are trying to work out
do we pull the knife out or do we leave it there
stitch around it and then extract it latter.
I do remember posting some where why I don't recommend no doc, low doc loans they have there use as long as you can repay and you don't do as the us does and make them liar loans.
I have not got a link to john maundin's letter
some one here will have it but its a very good read.
and explains it very well.
I will not be suprised if you don't see houses for sale in areas of the us for under 30k with tennants
not because they can't afford the rent but because they can't get a loan.
its very similar to a development site where a lender says I will only be exposed to % of the site and as these other loans start to crumble( as there rating gets reassessed)that knife will come out a bit more and more will it the wall.
thats my .002
 
Hi GR, I was also under the impression that the loans in the US had some sort of clause that allowed the borrower to "Just Walk Away" and leave the keys on the table, if they cant meet the repayment's.

If that's the case, no onder it's all going pear shaped if no one is being held accountable.

Dave
 
Hi B.B;
I don't think that's the case, judging by the reports around the country of foreclosures and bankruptcies.
An example is a friend of my wife; she had a condo in San Pedro (Port of L.A).
Bought at the top of the boom around late 2005 I think, with one of those A.R.M loans, and come time to start paying a real repayment, the house hadn't gone up in value, the interest had capitalised so the loan was higher than the value of the house.
She couldn't afford the real repayments, and at the same time a huge number of houses came on the market at the same time for similar reasons I'd guess. She sold in the slump early this year.
She ended up selling and still owes $40k with no house to show for it.
If she could have walked away I'm sure she would have.
They do have a situation here where you can assume the loan of someone else, but I don't know how popular they are, or how hard/easy they are to assume or find someone to assume it.
 
hi boatboy
I have been dealing with the americans in different business for a long time and even thou alot of people don't like it we are seen as the 57 state and they try stuff on us and then introduce it there.
having this in mind we also do the same and we import things taht for me are not as stable as they may seem.
and these loans and this type of lending has beeen going on for a very long time and its not going to go away.
for analysis in point form you have a few problems here.
I will start at the top
1. a borrower who borrows with a liar loan or as we have here a no doc loan
he says he earns 1 mil a year and no one checks (steve part time brickies labourer and was told this will get you into a house and a little fib is fine
)( by a friendly broker who has been doing it for about a month and only got into it from a friend as he was the bricky on his house)(lots of credability here).
2. he goes to a broker(ex bricky) and he gets paid only if he gets the liar a loan so he does and the brokers is happy and off he goes with the the loan fee
3 the originator and I will use me here, so I don't get into hot water
gross's mortagage house I take the loan and a few others and I know these are dodgee as all the loans thru bricky mortages are to dodgee people as non are normal loans they are all to 1 mil earners people living in blacktown but I bundel them( and I have mentioned before in a post about how you can bundel and the lend on the bundel this is very normal lending)( you can do it for a development site if the numbers are ok) gross's originator the sells the book to an agrigator.
4. the agrigator then bundels again this time he has bundels all these risky no doc loans with sams mortages( but sam only lends to riggy dig 100% (80% full doc loans) loans from ashfield with full doc paperwork.
they then sell this off to superfunds etc
all the way along the different group are taking a shaving off the margin rate and are making money.
the trouble is that no one has looked at risk ie can steve cover the loan.
added to this that these loans have to have a credit rating and the people doing the rating get a higher fee from the agigators the higher the rating.
thru into the pot hedge funds that( and I will take it from here you understand hedging) then hedge these funds.
all is going great and everyone is happy until the market slows or stops and liquidity becomes a problem.
and as you will here alot in the comming months flowing money is the oil of the financial market and when it drys up it become sand and clogs the financial wheels
now take the above turn it 180 degrees and look at if the hedge funds guys have a problem
and the problem flows the otherway all the way down the line.
and this time each wants to get paid and to do that the shave must come from the interest rate but each time the rate goes up as it trickles down the line one very big problem.
steve
he only wanted to get into a home but not at 10% he can't afford it.
with you can had back the keys thats fine some one has to pay the bill.
steve can't
bricky's mortages just closed shop and is back doing brikying as he has no clients and gross's orginator just went int liquidation as its holding 200 mil of no doc loans and steve's house just got listed on justlisted.com.
the fun is going to be just like in the savings and loans time
the money is in the defaulting loans as you will be able to pick up very cheap property not by buying the property but buying the loan and the forclosing on it
the loan that you know can't he serviced and you can buy the loan book very cheap
wait to see funds spring up to buy the loan books.
now thats true hedging.
you may have to read a couple of time
but this is my understanding of thre problem at the moment.
and ha I might be wrong
 
hi boatboy
the other thing is we have the same hand the keys back and walk away here
they call it bankrupsy
but it not that easy.
no lender lends you money anywhere on this planet and you walk away with no problems.
in some places in sth america you walk away wearing a bullet
but thats very different
 
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