# Attention Wrappers... Article

Hi,


I just received this article... i thought a few people might be interested... (But please note... I am not a jenman agent. I'm not anti wrapping. But I do like Mr Dwyer.)


Article from www.jenman.com.au
www.jenman.com.au/NewsAlerts1.php?id=28



REAL ESTATE 'WRAPS'
CONSUMER LAWYER CONCERNED WITH 'WRAPPING'

REAL ESTATE ‘WRAPS’
by Tim O’Dwyer

If you are desperate to own your own home, be wary of a breed of real estate racketeers out to profit at your expense.

Recently Channel 9 Brisbane’s EXTRA program ran a segment on a businessman buying cheap houses and “onselling” them at higher prices to folk who couldn’t even dream of getting normal finance. He continues to own the houses he has bought and purportedly onsold, and makes repayments to his bank, while his “rent-buyers” are charged higher interest rates than his bank charges him. With a roof seemingly happily over their heads, his customers hope that one day they will get real loans to complete their purchases from him.

You may have seen the newspaper adverts in the real estate pages: “… you can buy now on low deposit, easy owner-finance …,” “… low start option …”, “… owner will finance. Low deposit. Low weekly payments …”

GET INDEPENDENT ADVICE
Some people with poor financial histories are being preyed upon. If they slip up on their payments, they lose their option to buy, the owner keeps everything they paid and can then re-sell the property to the next hapless hopefuls. If you are thinking of selling to one of these mercenary middlemen or you are wanting to buy a home and are tempted by their dodgy “don’t rent” spiels, make sure you first get your own independent legal and financial advice.

In July 2001 property writer, Maurice Dunlevy, wrote an article for The Weekend Australian on “wrap-around mortgage schemes” being promoted through the wealth-creation seminars. Wrap-around mortgages might be the new form of private real estate finance, Dunlevy wrote, but judging by the reaction of one state government they are a scheme we could well do without. Dunlevy reported that the West Australian government was leading a push against wrap-around mortgage schemes. “Wrappers” stand to make big profits, Dunlevy explained, using a model touted at get-rich-quick seminars: a $100,000 property is resold for $120,000, and a 6.66% variable home loan rate becomes 10.66%. Monthly repayments on the original 25-year loan are $685.00 but the second purchaser pays $1146.00 a month on $120,000 loan.

REGULATOR’S CONCERN
West Australia’s then Ministry of Fair Trading expressed concern about the schemes, complaining that such transactions left homebuyers exposed to significant risk. Then Fair Trading Commissioner Patrick Walker said the Ministry was examining cases of “wrapping” which followed a model promoted at wealth-creation seminars. While there were no apparent breaches of real estate laws, the Ministry was looking at offences under consumer credit legislation.

“My greater concern is that wrapping can be used to take advantage of people who are desperate to buy, have little financial acumen or are a credit risk and therefore are unable to obtain finance through reputable lenders,” Mr. Walker told Dunlevy.

IF THE WRAPPER DEFAULTS
If the wrapper defaults on his mortgage, the end-buyer the end-buyer can be in serious trouble even if they have made all their payments to the wrapper. According to Dunlevy wrap-around mortgage originators were also active in Queensland and Victoria. He quoted publicity material from one mortgage company claiming to “open up the world of home ownership” to would-be buyers. The company boasted that bankruptcy and bad credit would not disqualify buyers from purchasing property through its program of home ownership made easy. The company said it acted as a third party to ensure that rent-buyers and owners did “the right thing contractually”.

VIEW OF A FINANCIAL COMMENTATOR
A commentator for a financial magazine offers these thoughts on "wrapping": "Virtually anyone - even people who really shouldn't be undertaking substantial financial commitments - can own a property these days, given the 'no deposit' or 'miniscule deposit' deals promoted by developers, plus the growing range of sub-prime lenders who specialise in lending to people who can't get ordinary mortgages. Some of these sub-prime loans are at pretty reasonable terms (given the higher risk), so you'd really have to ask why anyone would need to buy into a wrapped property, and miss out on the legal protections they would have with such a loan with normal Consumer Credit Code protection.

Therefore, while wrapping deals might look good on paper (assuming you have no ethical problem with profiting from people in weak financial circumstances), you'd really be scraping the bottom of the barrel in terms of the 'credit risk' of the people who would occupy the wrapped properties. If they cannot get any better form of finance and have to get into a 'wrapped' property, they are probably people who will have problems with financial commitments. In other words, these wrapped deals might be much more hassle in the 'real world' than the seminar gurus would have people believe."

PROPERTY ACTIVIST’S CONCERN
Describing me as a “Brisbane lawyer and property activist” Dunlevy in his article said I was concerned about the close relationship between real estate agents and scheme promoters. Too many real estate agents have been too keen, in my view, to make quick commissions by selling vendors’ lower-end-of-the-market properties to wrappers. “Anyone approached to sell their house should ensure they are getting the highest possible price”, I said. “The best advice I can give to anyone desperate to own their home, and thinking about a wrap-around mortgage, is to stay renting.”

WARNING
If you are an investor considering using a “wrap-around” - my warning to you is this: find a more conscionable way to make your money, pal. And watch out you aren’t breaking the law, because when your naïve rent-buyers have second thoughts and seek out, independent legal advisers, their shrewd and consumer-concerned solicitors will be looking for the loopholes, the illegalities and the ways to make you pay!

[Tim O’Dwyer is a Queensland solicitor and consumer advocate.
[email protected]]




Ross Sondergeld
Ross for Property
Gold Coast, Qld
 
Ross,

Interesting article, however I did notice that you had 'creative real estate' at the bottom of your post... is that the same company that does the wrap pack??

I looked quite deeply into wrapping and believe that there is a market segment out there that would benefit from 'honest' wrapping. However like many things people are greedy and try to take to much.

From a technical aspect of wrapping I decided that it was currently to easy for most people to obtain money from banks and therefore the left over pool might not be worth chasing. I have read that banks are becoming 'desperate' to give out home loans out as good credit customers have already upgraded their homes etc and currently not taking more debt on. (I expect to shot down in flames now.)

I also had concerns about the property market dropping and being left with an overpriced, lower income house.
 
I find it interesting that people complain about wrappers "marking up" the interest rate to their buyers, and yet nobody seems to have a problem that the banks do exactly the same thing. They buy money wholesale and then mark it up to on sell to their clients.
It's also very nice to suggest that people go to sub prime lenders for a loan, and yet there are a few of these offering 90% LVR on a low docs basis - for over 10%. Makes my 8.5% to my wrap buyers who are basically buying at 95% LVR or higher look pretty decent by comparison.
 
no relationship with CRE...

Hi,


Yes.... I was Creative Real Estate Solutions for a few weeks. ( A buyer agent friend in the USA also uses this name. But i didn't like it... so I'm now "Ross for Property".)

But I think you're referring to Creative Real Estate (Rick Otton)


But i change my trading name because, too many people thought i was a real estate criminal. (i.e. creative ? )


Ross Sondergeld
Ross for Property
Gold Coast, Australia
 
G'day Ross,

A wee bit tautological, don't you think??

Ross Sondergeld
Ross for Property
Gold Coast, Australia


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Ross Sondergeld ~ Principal Licensee
Ross for Property... on the Gold Coast



Any chance of losing the first three lines and keep the last two? I think we do allow 4 lines as a signature though ;)
 
I was taught illogical as well.

Someone once told me that there is nothing wrong with a tautology.

My response was,

"I myself personally don't agree".
 
Originally posted by Lissy
I find it interesting that people complain about wrappers "marking up" the interest rate to their buyers, and yet nobody seems to have a problem that the banks do exactly the same thing. They buy money wholesale and then mark it up to on sell to their clients.
It's also very nice to suggest that people go to sub prime lenders for a loan, and yet there are a few of these offering 90% LVR on a low docs basis - for over 10%. Makes my 8.5% to my wrap buyers who are basically buying at 95% LVR or higher look pretty decent by comparison.

I don't think it is the interest rate by itself that is the concern. After all, the likes of AVCO and AGC and CUSTOM CREDIT all charge higher interest rates to people who are deemed a higher credit risk.

Wrappers also increase the purchase price of the property - nothing wrong with that either - anyone can buy a home and sell it for more the next day.

But lets remember that the renter-buyer has no real control of title over the property. The renter-buyer effectively ends up paying for *two* lots of stamp-duty on the property (one to cover the wrapper's purchase costs, and probably again to transfer the title to themselves). Wrap contracts might be written such that defaulting on the payments means the rent-buyer loses all equity in the property. That's something a bank doesn't do.
 
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