Chilling firestorm Video from Victoria bushfires

Has everyone signed up to this site to watch the video..??

I don't really like signing up to something and giving out my details just to watch one video.

See ya's.
 
Thanks for that Y-Man. Very interesting, and once again makes me realise how lucky I am, in so many respects.

Has everyone signed up to this site to watch the video..??

I don't really like signing up to something and giving out my details just to watch one video.

See ya's.

You don't have to sign up to watch it...?
 
No probs :) I like to use my 10 minute mail to claim freebie vouchers etc! Alternately gmail is pretty good for keeping out spam. (And thanks for the kudos, Pushka!)
 
Listening to the Premier etc., it appears efforts are being made so that people will be held back from rebuilding until the review has been held and the report given.

Then the new regulations will come into effect, with fireproofing etc., which in turn is going to increase building costs substantially. So even those with what was thought to be full insurance will be under-insured.

There is even talk of forcing people to have fire shelters in fire prone areas

All this could take 18 months, so does this mean the people who lost homes in the fires are forced into renting while they wait. It may be that they can rebuild after the interim report is given in 6 months.

Can anyone comment on what happened after the Canberra fires?

Chris
 
After whats happened in these places, I wouldn't rebuild without a fire bunker. I'm the sort of person who would want to stay and try and save everything, but if you can't, you can get in the bunker and save your life.

Glad I wasn't living in these parts, as I think I'd be dead. I just had no idea what fire could do, or how bad things could get. These conditions were never ever seen before.

See ya's.
 
you were rude, itw as offensive, you got told... again, get over it... surely you are intelligent enought to expect a reaction to your callous statement - the damn bodies weren;t even cold yet so to speak....

This post is so funny I decided to give you kudos.
 
Hi all,

TC, I've got to disagree with you here...

I'm the sort of person who would want to stay and try and save everything

Nahh. You'd be on the fire truck saving everything/one else that you could.

Re the conditions. I've been to a fire 10-12 years ago in the Jancourt state forest. Solid stringybarks 100+ feet high. Flames 3 times the height (above) of the canopy. TFB day, 43 degrees, high winds. Nothing could stop that monster until it came out of the forest into the parched paddocks of the dairyfarms. Once there the helicopters were able to knock it down followed by a ground attack. If that fire had got 5 km further south east (than the spotting) then when the high winds of the SW change hit there would have been a disaster with fires along the west coast. Such events are easily forgotten when they are stopped.

Where the latest fires occurred, there is no end of the forest.


bye
 
4 Corners "Two Days in Hell"

ABC documentary, (on the bushfires) well pieced together, shown ABC tv Monday night, (last night).

Repeated, Tuesday 11.35pm. Well worth a watch or taping.

Rundown excerpt from ABC site/link:

Two Days in Hell
Reporter: Quentin McDermott

Broadcast: 16/02/2009

They had been warned, they thought they had made the necessary preparations but nothing could prepare the people of Victoria for the fireball that swept through their state. How did it happen? What were the conditions really like that day? And what happened to the preparations so carefully made?

It’s been called the garden state but last weekend Victorians fell victim to the worst fires in recent history.

In the days that followed we’ve heard stories of horror, stories of bravery and sometimes simply tales of good luck. What no-one has been able to do so far is to detail how the crisis unfolded. What were the turning points that led to this disaster?

Four Corners details those two crucial days from the evening of Friday 6th to Sunday 8th February. Talking with survivors, fire-fighters, forecasters and doctors... the program pieces together the warnings, the preparations and the reactions of those people on the ground as the fires began to break out.

The program goes on to detail stories of survival and loss, at the same time trying to understand how despite the warnings people were still unable to defend themselves.

Kevin Tolhurst is a fire expert and ecologist. His expertise is predicting fires using an index of danger. He was called in to the Melbourne Emergency Co-ordination Centre last Saturday. As he tells the program, "we use an index developed in the fifties and sixties that goes from zero to one hundred. (In the days leading up to Saturday) we were experiencing indexes in excess of two hundred."

A Royal Commission has been set up to try and explain why so many people could die in such a short space of time. For now though we have only the first hand testimony of people who were there, who saw the fires take hold and those who fought for their homes or ran before the onslaught.

Reporter Quentin McDermott talks to the people who experienced "Two Days in Hell."
 
It’s been called the garden state but last weekend Victorians fell victim to the worst fires in recent history.
Reporter Quentin McDermott talks to the people who experienced "Two Days in Hell."[/I]

Victoria hasnt had a green garden in years! Ah, the old days.

Maybe people might realise now that being prepared is not a matter of just having clean gutters (although some didnt even bother with that!) It is about dealing with immense heat like never experienced before, smoke that chokes, and the noise - like a jumbo jet taking off just above your head. And really dealing with the realisation that fire kills.

Nothing can prepare you for that. Which suggests the 'stay and fight principle' does not apply to most people.
 
Thanks OO. I'll watch it. Missed it lastnight as I was doing voluntry bar work at the club.

Rained all night last night, and looks like it will keep on all day. Had 130 mills now for the week. Will probably be some flooding on NSW north coast areas today. Have had enough, just wish we could send it down south, such a waste.

See ya's.
 
Actually there is a transcript too:

http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/content/2008/s2492832.htm

I've pulled out some excerpts, higgidly piggidly, they are just ones that hit home to us, watching..amongst the rest of the show and images too, but just wanted to wack these up, pretty memorable stuff:

RUSSELL REES, CHIEF OFFICER, COUNTRY FIRE AUTHORITY: I stood in the middle of the street in the middle of Melbourne and the wind was blowing and the sun was shining and the sky was angry.

Now this angry sky, people talk about it with cloud and smoke and tumultuous wind and dust. And I walked up the corner of the street and I looked up and down the street and the street was nearly empty.

And I looked around and I felt the wind and the description that came to me afterwards was it was the only time that the wind was hotter than the sun. It was just an unbearable day.


KEN WILLIAMSON, CAPTAIN, WHITTLESEA CFA: This is the initial fire the Whittlesea Fire Brigade got called to, and it would have been probably two and a half hours after the initial fire in Kilmore started.

Probably 15 or 20 k away from here.

QUENTIN MCDERMOTT: So the spot fire travelled 15 or 20 kilometres?

KEN WILLIAMSON, CAPTAIN, WHITTLESEA CFA: Yeah unprecedented, the amount, the actual distance that it spotted. I’ve never seen a fire start so far away from a fire front.

RUSSELL REES, CHIEF OFFICER, COUNTRY FIRE AUTHORITY: The fire’s gone up the slope into Kinglake, which is on a bit of a plateau, and it would’ve spat bits of fire everywhere.

You know a splattering on a, on an enormous landscape scale, you know, like just enormous. And we knew that whatever resources we had, whatever they were, no matter what they were they could not have stopped such a fire.


DR KEVIN TOLHURST, FIRE ECOLOGY SPECIALIST, MELBOURNE UNI: To hear of the fatalities it really makes you, want to rethink and understand why it is that the, the strategy of preparing to stay and defend your house compared with evacuating early.

Why has that come unstuck in this situation. We really need to understand that.

QUENTIN MCDERMOTT: Well is it simply the wrong policy?

DR KEVIN TOLHURST, FIRE ECOLOGY SPECIALIST, MELBOURNE UNI: No I don’t believe it’s the wrong policy. I think the alternative that we have really is an evacuation policy and we’ve seen how in America and in Europe, I guess where that creates its own problems and we probably would have greater fatalities as a result, if we had that policy alone.

KEN WILLIAMSON, CAPTAIN, WHITTLESEA CFA: I still believe it’s the right strategy at the moment. It needs to be reviewed but I think whatever strategy you put in place for this particular fire at the time nothing could have prepared anyone for what we faced.

QUENTIN MCDERMOTT: Could anything have helped to prevent the tragedy?

KEN WILLIAMSON, CAPTAIN, WHITTLESEA CFA: I don’t believe so, not this particular tragedy. We had as many fire trucks out here and, and in fact probably if I had more fire trucks at my disposal at the time I might have put, put them lives in danger and lost more, lost firefighters, I’m sure I would have lost firefighters.

QUENTIN MCDERMOTT: Were people warned early enough?

KEN WILLIAMSON, CAPTAIN, WHITTLESEA CFA: I think that, the situation was that the fire came that quick that the warnings and media etcetera just couldn’t keep up where the fire was, I think you just couldn’t keep up with it, it was unbelievable.

QUENTIN MCDERMOTT: Having seen what you’ve seen, could anything have prevented this catastrophe?

JOHN BRUMBY, PREMIER OF VICTORIA: I guess that’s the question the Royal Commission will, will ask and it’ll look at all of the issues, you know whether the community was ready enough, whether individuals were ready enough, whether the warning systems were good enough, whether government policy was right, whether we should have had tougher vegetation controls.

I mean I think, all of those issues will be there for the commission to consider and I want everybody to have their say, so I don’t want to prejudge that, um I’ve made this point previously.

If you were, you know if you were going to evacuate everybody who was potentially at risk on Saturday you would have evacuated somewhere between half a million and a million people and I don’t know how you’d get them out.

I don’t know where you’d put that many people, frankly you can’t do that.
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On the show there is actually film footage of fire burning, speeding very quickly across a plain, flatish country, at a very quick rate, that is the opinion from experienced firefighters here, what the fire would have done and (acted like) here, unprecedented speed and spotting, as flat and treeless the country here, it is widely felt and been expressed nothing could have stopped the devastation, we would have run for our lives and hoped the trees wouldn't have blocked the roads out.
 
Ianvestor,

There is nothing funny about the loss of life that has occurred and affected members of this forum.

As someone who has lived in Kinglake and been a member of the community for over 25 years it was very hard not to get angry at your comments. As it stands I have lost nearly 30 friends and another 50 or so that I know. It is by pure luck that myself, my family and parents weren't caught up in this situation.

Anyone who takes the time to look at the area will see that escaping the fires by road can be just as dangerous as staying put. Fires do not burn in a straight line and roads in these areas are not straight. Quite a few people couldn't get out as the roads were already too dangerous to drive through. this can be seen by the amount of people who died in their cars. From Kinglake itself there are only 3 main roads out. One road that is not a main rd but a possible exit is Coombs road and that is where the Naylors and a few others died. The fire that came up from Toolangi side left only two exits but the smoke had blown across the area making visibility zero and access into Whittlesea a designated safe zone nearly impossible.

There will no doubt be blamed laid at certain practices, rules and regulations but this is a situation that even with the best precautions there was going to be loss of life.

Now is not the time to be judgmental over things like who had insurance and who doesn't and where does the money go. Now is the time to get in and help those who have experienced something that unless you have been through have totally no idea. Help the victims now and then squabble over everything else latter.

I'm happy to answer any pms that people send. I just think that some members need to think a little before they hit that submit button.
 
Hi there Y33

I was sorry to see how you have been affected by the fires. Having experienced bushfires in 2001 in the Blue Mountains in Sydney and the Canberra bushfires in 2003, I do understand where you are coming from.

There was a very good article in the Canberra times from one of the victims of that bushfire on how to help.

For those who might like to review how best to help
http://www.canberratimes.com.au/cont...style/1254415/
please follow the link. Unfortunately insurance doesn't cover everything you lose in a fire.

For those who are affected, you might like to start lobbying now to allow builders from interstate to come down to help in the rebuilding. We were approached by a QLD builder at the time who wanted to help in the rebuilding process in Canberra. He had trouble with the licensing arrangements in Canberra and ended up not going down there. As a result we waited 2 years before we could start rebuilding as we had to wait for a Canberra builder.

thanks
 
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