Everything's on sale....

I received my copy of the Top Ryde News Letter earlier this evening. Jones Lang Lasalle have been appointed as the selling agent for this shopping centre.

Dazz, do you want another retail centre anchored by a Myer, Big W, Woollies, Aldi, Franklins, Dan Murphys and several other national retailers?

My 2 cents would put it at a cap rate around 8-9%
 
This looks like it's been coming for a while:

http://www.smh.com.au/business/debtladen-shopping-centre-for-sale-20101116-17vw2.html

http://www.smh.com.au/business/rece...-six-months-after-opening-20110217-1aybl.html

http://www.propertyobserver.com.au/retail/sydneys-top-ryde-shopping-centre-valued-at-$350-million/2012061955191




Discretionary retail which this mostly comprises is going to feel pressures from online biz.

The neighbourhood Coles/Woolworths/IGA anchored non-discretionary retail is likely to have better staying power.
 
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Dazz, do you want another retail centre

...couldn't think of anything worse...

Trying to get out of my first retail foray...not good. Will never buy retail again. The legislation controlling the sector sux, it's far too weighted toward the Tenant.

Not as bad as residential, but nevertheless grossly unfair to the Landlord. It's been written as if every Landlord is a huge Westfield conglomerate, and every Tenant is some poor struggling little family unit that is desparately hanging on by their finger nails. Some of the clauses are outrageous.

Nope, I'm going back to commercial and industrial, where the legislation is based on both parties being "grown ups" and whatever they can negotiate is written into the Lease and enforceable. None of this 'sign the Lease, then complain, quote the law, and skip out of your agreed obligations'.

Give me a nice big fat chunk of dirt, with a huge barbed wire fence around it, and the Tenant controls who comes and goes and turfs out anyone who acts like a plonker....Retail, you must provide a clean polished white tiled floor, try like hell to keep out little mongrel 9 y.o. out of control kids with no parents to be seen, who all know their massive list of rights...and no obligations, and you cannot keep them out.

If one of the little dears spills their coke, then gets their mate to ride thru the mess and purposely slip, then fake it, and their big sister claims you now owe them 2 million bucks and we're gonna sue you for everything.

Um, no thanks.
 
I'd be putting a high cap on it because the centre needs a remix, badly planned (food court has a massive disconnect with the entertainment precinct), has a lot of competition (Chatswood Chase/Westfield + Macquarie Centre {AMP/Westfield JV}, Rhodes, Burwood Westfield), the centre is still in its stabilisation phase - once the centre starts to work its cap rate will drop reflecting maturity and a lower risk profile.

Burwood Westfield went through a similar bedding down period as it went through a similar redevelopment (ie complete demolition, out of the market for 3 years and slow regrowth/changing of shopping habits).
 
I'd be putting a high cap on it because the centre needs a remix, badly planned (food court has a massive disconnect with the entertainment precinct), has a lot of competition (Chatswood Chase/Westfield + Macquarie Centre {AMP/Westfield JV}, Rhodes, Burwood Westfield), the centre is still in its stabilisation phase - once the centre starts to work its cap rate will drop reflecting maturity and a lower risk profile.

Burwood Westfield went through a similar bedding down period as it went through a similar redevelopment (ie complete demolition, out of the market for 3 years and slow regrowth/changing of shopping habits).

You're not doing a very good job of convincing ME to invest in it! ;)
 
There's nothing in it for me unless you want me to do the DD ;)

All of the retailers that I have spoken to are bleeding (and from hearsay most of the franchisees are bleeding as well). Woollies is turning a good quid and it hasn't pulled too much off West Ryde Marketplace's turnover.

You can shoot a rocket up La Strada and wouldn't hit anyone, pick of the stand for a chair in the food court, kids precinct is pretty spartan.

Tenants are all sitting on decent rents but occupancy costs for them are through the roof (all hearsay of course).

If $350m is the val for the property, it reflects about one third of the cost of construction. Hmmmm, maybe it might be a good buy yet.
 
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All of the retailers that I have spoken to are bleeding (and from hearsay most of the franchisees are bleeding as well). Woollies is turning a good quid and it hasn't pulled too much off West Ryde Marketplace's turnover.

You can shoot a rocket up La Strada and wouldn't hit anyone, pick of the stand for a chair in the food court, kids precinct is pretty spartan.

It's the same at our local Westfield - with Coles, Woolies, KMart, Taget and DJ's as major tenants.

Two years ago you couldn't get a park. Now it's take your pick outside the front door, at any time of day. There are a few people floating around - but I noticed very little spending (ie, no one carrying bags).

The only ones doing any good seem to be the supermarkets and the coffee places ... the specialist food tenants, fishmongery, bakery etc, don't seem to be doing much trade either.
 
Two years ago you couldn't get a park. Now it's take your pick outside the front door, at any time of day. There are a few people floating around - but I noticed very little spending (ie, no one carrying bags).

That's what I am seeing too Lizzie....not just with our small centre, but all over the Perth metro area....and you are obviously seeing it over the other side of the paddock as well.

In my opinion, it's called lack of confidence, and it will not change unless and until the source of the lack of confidence is removed.....I'm talking about the Federal Govt and their decisions.

Ask any business leader what is the one thing that they would all wish for to improve business confidence. Without hesitation, they will all chant in chorus immediately that they wish to see the Federal Govt removed.


The only ones doing any good seem to be the supermarkets and the coffee places ... the specialist food tenants, fishmongery, bakery etc, don't seem to be doing much trade either.

Yes, we are seeing this as well.

Our supermarket is trading very strongly....the people are still buying the very basics. The Tenants that are hurting are the butchers / bakers / newsagents (lotto is about the only thing propping them up). Even the chemists are doing less well than before, but they have alot more fat built into their mark ups, so they are still doing OK.

I strongly suspect, that 6 months after the Federal election, we'll see some confidence and spending return to the retail sector.
 
That's what I am seeing too Lizzie....not just with our small centre, but all over the Perth metro area....and you are obviously seeing it over the other side of the paddock as well.

In my opinion, it's called lack of confidence, and it will not change unless and until the source of the lack of confidence is removed.....I'm talking about the Federal Govt and their decisions.

Ask any business leader what is the one thing that they would all wish for to improve business confidence. Without hesitation, they will all chant in chorus immediately that they wish to see the Federal Govt removed.


Yes, we are seeing this as well.

Our supermarket is trading very strongly....the people are still buying the very basics. The Tenants that are hurting are the butchers / bakers / newsagents (lotto is about the only thing propping them up). Even the chemists are doing less well than before, but they have alot more fat built into their mark ups, so they are still doing OK.

I strongly suspect, that 6 months after the Federal election, we'll see some confidence and spending return to the retail sector.

Listed real estate developer Metroland Australia appointed an administrator last Friday, just days after delivering a disastrous financial report in which its full year loss multiplied by nearly 900%.

The business warned its retail property values had been declining and that it was continuing to negotiate with financiers. It has been heavily exposed to the retail space, where poor performances among SMEs have led to declining values.

Earlier this year, Metroland offloaded a 25% stake in the Greenway SupaCentre in Sydney's west for just $5 million, after buying it for $18 million in 2003.

Full article here

Let's just hope this lack of confidence thing doesn't flow on from retail to residential property!

Cheers,
Oracle.
 
In my opinion, it's called lack of confidence, and it will not change unless and until the source of the lack of confidence is removed.....I'm talking about the Federal Govt and their decisions.

Was watching a doco last night (totally unrelated) on the USA journey to go to the moon - thru the words of the, now very elderly, astronauts who took part.

A snippet included JFK's epic and inspiring speech and couldn't help but think "we sooooo need a leader in this country like that". Someone who has a vision to make Australia great, something to instill pride in us as a nation again, instead of all this bickering about petty day to day stuff.

That is what is destroying confidence. It's like being a kid and watching your parents snip and snipe nastily at each other constantly - it totally destroys confidence and self esteem in the "family/country" potential.
 
Was watching a doco last night (totally unrelated) on the USA journey to go to the moon - thru the words of the, now very elderly, astronauts who took part.

A snippet included JFK's epic and inspiring speech and couldn't help but think "we sooooo need a leader in this country like that". Someone who has a vision to make Australia great, something to instill pride in us as a nation again, instead of all this bickering about petty day to day stuff.

That is what is destroying confidence. It's like being a kid and watching your parents snip and snipe nastily at each other constantly - it totally destroys confidence and self esteem in the "family/country" potential.

I thought the same thing watching that speech.
 
Was watching a doco last night (totally unrelated) on the USA journey to go to the moon - thru the words of the, now very elderly, astronauts who took part.

A snippet included JFK's epic and inspiring speech and couldn't help but think "we sooooo need a leader in this country like that". Someone who has a vision to make Australia great, something to instill pride in us as a nation again, instead of all this bickering about petty day to day stuff.

That is what is destroying confidence. It's like being a kid and watching your parents snip and snipe nastily at each other constantly - it totally destroys confidence and self esteem in the "family/country" potential.

We will have today.

Gillard and school funding.

Can't wait for for the statement:

"by the end of this decade there shall be no public school unable to land on the moon"

:D
 
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