How do you setup the basics?

I believe there is still decent money in property ownership and would like to start building a portfolio. I want to set-up a trust structure from the start even if it costs a little more to provide security and set rules from the onset rather than running into annoyances down the track, also flexibility for tax would be great.

We are young and have around 150k in equity in our PPOR due to renovations and growth and also a tidy profit on my first place. My income is 50% higher than my fiancees and likely to move to 100% higher over the next 3 years.

I am not interested in financial protection in case of a split because most of the growth and winfalls have been realised while we have been living together and she will be enjoying any sacrifices we make so if something between us goes wrong i have no doubt she is entitled to half.

I am quite interested in tax advantages in this, as my income moves into a higher bracket and she stays in a lower bracket it would be good if we could direct where the tax bill or deductions go which i believe a unit trust can work with. Also with time she hopes to go back and study so may move to part time.

The aim is to acquire 5 or so residential properties over the next 5-6 years, i would like to get into developing eventually but after the trust matures a little would like to take the PPOR and even our personal finances (no longer require to guarantee things) before we start developing. I want 2 of the properties to be smaller apartments or similar with in 5-7km of CBD, near major transport hubs, furnished aiming for higher value 3-9 month leases the other 3 to be houses probably negatively geared (more due to current rent versus value than a want) within 15km of CBD where its possible to atleast subdivide.

The first property we will probably buy with my fiancées sister (call her 3 for now) she has similar goals to us and will agree to get in writing exit clauses and such.

So finally the questions
Do i speak to my accountant or lawyer around setting this stuff up?
Should i speak to a specialised accountant/lawyer?
What are some basic costs i can expect?
Should i setup a trust for myself and fiancee then from this trust purchase shares/units in a trust which we use to purchase the first property with 3? or can we setup one trust to purchase the property in then when it comes time for us to expand we transfer ownership of unit/shares into a trust name (any tax implications/dutys payable?)?
Where can i learn more about which type of trusts might be helpful i would like to be a little more educated before I speak to my paid professional?

Financing? My current bank suggests getting a LOC or similar on a PPOR then using this as a deposit for the IP, ideally i would like to leave this money in my non tax deductible interest costing loan but want to retain the PPOR as a seperate loan. Any suggestions?
And they have suggested we would be guarantors of the new loan in the trust name now from my understanding this means if we where to need to borrow our personal serviceability would look at this loan very badly. Does anyone know of ways around this?

Sorry for the massive post i want to cover off as many potential questions at the start, thanks in advance for any help.
 
First off, welcome to the good ship SS - setting sale to your financial destination.

Boy you sure are trying to complicate things there from the out set....Being a newbie Id suggest you keep it simple!

Purchase in your own name unless you are in a high risk occupation (of being sued) and require maximum asset protection.

Only involve a 3rd party when its absolutely necessary -that being when either one of you are money starved or time starved. You say you have $150k in equity so I cant see it being a monetary issue, so maybe a time issue??

You dont have to get it right you just have to get it going!

Hope this helps.
 
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I agree with Rixter.
Keep it simple! If you try to complicate things, as you seem to be thinking of doing, you just create more obstacles, real or imagined.
I purchase in my own name as I have no real need for the asset protection that a trust would offer me.
I believe it's smoother sailing in terms of obtaining finance and my accountant is happy with the structure I have in place at the moment.
Work out what you want to purchase and how much you want to spend/borrow and just Do It, as they say. Deal with the fear and don't become a procrastinator and you'll do OK.
Now get on with it .... :)
 
at the moment i work for a large company and doubt i will ever be at a high risk of being sued, well no more than anyone else these days. It was more just i didnt want to aquire say 2 or 3 properties and then later wish it was in a nice trust or company structure.

Given we are not after asset protection (internally) do you think it matters whos name we put things under, should we purchase in joint names as tenants in common or purchase under one name for all, some for all? I need to tidy up a few things at my PPOR for the val (150k is conservative estimate) in the next month so not in a HUGE rush.
 
Given we are not after asset protection (internally) do you think it matters whos name we put things under, should we purchase in joint names as tenants in common or purchase under one name for all, some for all?

For taxation purposes look to purchase solely in the name of the highest taxable income earner with each purchase.

May I suggest you read Jan Somers book called More Wealth from Residential Property to get a better understanding.

Hope this helps.
 
Can I play too?? I want a big house, with a 25m lap pool & slippery slide, water views, 10 garages, maid quarters, gym, sauna, poker room, tennis & basketball courts, horse stables, private jetty, all within 10km of a CBD. Then I want 5 more of the same as IPs. Anyone with any ideas how I can accumulate all this in the next few years, please post ASAP. Thanks in advance.. :)
 
Can I play too?? I want a big house, with a 25m lap pool & slippery slide, water views, 10 garages, maid quarters, gym, sauna, poker room, tennis & basketball courts, horse stables, private jetty, all within 10km of a CBD. Then I want 5 more of the same as IPs. Anyone with any ideas how I can accumulate all this in the next few years, please post ASAP. Thanks in advance.. :)

being new i doubt i can post what i want to say ...

but if thats a dig at me wtf? i haven't disclosed other things such as income, current loan on PPOR, skill set or any people who will be able to help/offer advice. So i don't think you are in a position to mark me down as a dreamer. I just wanted to see if there was a better way to structure from the onset to avoid stamps/headaches down the track/learn from other peoples mistakes.
 
being new i doubt i can post what i want to say ...

but if thats a dig at me wtf? i haven't disclosed other things such as income, current loan on PPOR, skill set or any people who will be able to help/offer advice. So i don't think you are in a position to mark me down as a dreamer. I just wanted to see if there was a better way to structure from the onset to avoid stamps/headaches down the track/learn from other peoples mistakes.


I doubt asdf was having a dig, by the looks of the times that it was posted, 12.59amAEST, it was probably the result of sleep deprivation.
 
Financing? My current bank suggests getting a LOC or similar on a PPOR then using this as a deposit for the IP, ideally i would like to leave this money in my non tax deductible interest costing loan but want to retain the PPOR as a seperate loan. Any suggestions?
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Yes, get thge LOC, draw down cash and use to buy your IP. The portion of interest against the money used to buy the IP becomes tax deductible.

Cheers,

The Y-man
 
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