Is landlord heartless?

[StefanA]

What is the purpose of a high taxing government if it appeals to our conscience to relieve us of the fruits of our toil and labor, so it can relieve the suffering of the unfortunate, but then refuses to relieve us of the burden of conscience?

I will gladly accept responsibility for relieving the suffering of tenants if my high taxing morally superior governors cannot. All I ask in return though, is these governors return my taxes so I may.

Until then, I must believe the government of the day as judged by the majority of my peers, is morally superior to me, in the means of redistributing the hard earnt of many to the needy few.

You see, in a socialist society, the moral judgement of the individual is regarded as inferior to the moral judgement of the agents of the majority, our socialist leaders. Therefore, let the appeal of the blighted fall first upon the ears of those best able to judge their need, our socialist leaders.

 

[Belbo]

The tag at the end of my posts is meant ironically (of course), because, as I hope any of you who have read my posts would know, I do genuinely believe that landlords do great good by their community in their provision of housing.

But, is it all just a matter of contract, or is there a deeper obligation on the landlord here?

It's not black and white, I'd humbly suggest, because we are all different in both our idea of what community is, and how much we can then choose or not to afford to support it.

Rugrat makes the basic point well: Her sense of obligation to others is overwhelmed in her situation by her financial duty to her young family. Others, such as OurObsession, can possibly afford to be less desperate in their decisionmaking, and has tentatively expressed as much, with admirable courage. While Skater, quite correctly, has railed against the media's appalling 'expectation' that the the landlord can and therefore will cover any and all shortfalls of income.

Where does this leave us? Well, if you think society is just a conglomerate of individuals engaged in a relentless war of all against all, then Dazz might make the most sense to you on this. If you think however that society is more than the sum of its parts, something which you think is the greater, better part of you, then Aaron's generosity of heart might make seem a lot more appealing to you (although he is otherwise far from being a card-carrying socialist, as I'm sure he'll attest).

This isn't about capitalism versus communism, haves versus have-nots, or media versus landlords. In the end, it all boils down to a question of your own personal identity: What sort of person do you want to see yourself as?

As basically a lone ranger, on the one hand; or as basically a community builder, on the other (or, more likely, as someone confusedly meandering in-between, like the rest of us)?

It's almost a truism that rich people without charity lack nobility of character, just as poor people with only heart lack the nobility of means. Perhaps the answer is to settle the battle of identity with yourself first, and then choose which battles your identity requires you to wage, and how.

Just because we may all be landlords, we are far from all determined to be the same because of this circumstance. We are still, and always will be, different people sharing one society.

 

[kathryn d]

How the LL deals with this tenant and family may have a lot to do with the ongoing relationship.
Did this family always pay their rent on time, or were they always looking for excuses.
Did they respect the LLs property, or have total disregard.

Lots of things come into play.
Would I give a free month...probably not.
I'd give suggestion of where to go to get help.

We have told many tenants where help can be available, after a relationship has broken down, and the other takes off, leaving them with rent owing.
Usually we end up without rent..and evicting them.

 

[StefanA]

Perhaps the answer is to settle the battle of identity with yourself first, and then choose which battles your identity requires you to wage, and how.

Tax is not optional. We cannot choose which battles we wage unless we can finance those battles. It is up to those who appoint themselves as our moral superiors, then take our hard earnt by force, to determine the relative need of the needy.

If they cannot carry out that task better than the individual, then they have no right to govern and tax.

The intent of socialism is to make impotent the power of individual conscience. We are all supposed to accept the superiority of group conscience, otherwise socialism fails.

 

[Bargain Hunter]

How many times have you seen this kind of thing on shows like Today Tonight? I have never once seen a good news story about a philanthropic landlord who has helped out their tenant who has fallen on hard times when I know that there are some that have done exactly that

If I as a LL fall on bad times would my tenants be willing to put their hands in their pockets and pay extra rent to help me get through?

Double standards all around.

Regards

Andrew

 

[jaycee]

If I as a LL fall on bad times would my tenants be willing to put their hands in their pockets and pay extra rent to help me get through?

Double standards all around.

Regards

Andrew

Yeah I think that's a pretty bad analogy.

It's the "customer" asking for the discount, it's what customers do when they think they might get one for whatever reason. We've all done it just to get a few $ off the asking price, as customers.

 

[bluestorm]

It's absolute rubbish to expect to give a tenant 30day free rent, regardless of the situation.
What next. Tenant looses job (30days free rent). Relationship breakup (or sorry, can we have 30days free rent).

A rental lease is a contract, and if the tenant doesn't conform, then they can find something else.

 

[locko24]

It's absolute rubbish to expect to give a tenant 30day free rent, regardless of the situation.
What next. Tenant looses job (30days free rent). Relationship breakup (or sorry, can we have 30days free rent).

A rental lease is a contract, and if the tenant doesn't conform, then they can find something else.

LL should offer to pay rent when the tenant needs to buy more pot i reckon.

As for the 30 days free rent for a relationship breakup; well in my younger days i'd have been entitled to 30 days free rent every friday night

 

[wylie]

Fantastic post Belbo.

Whilst I agree with many things said by both sides, and of course, depending on the circumstances and relationship with my tenants, I know that I would definitely allow some leeway.

 

[jaycee]

Yeah I'm with gonna go with what wylie said...

 

[sanj]

The tag at the end of my posts is meant ironically (of course), because, as I hope any of you who have read my posts would know, I do genuinely believe that landlords do great good by their community in their provision of housing.

But, is it all just a matter of contract, or is there a deeper obligation on the landlord here?

It's not black and white, I'd humbly suggest, because we are all different in both our idea of what community is, and how much we can then choose or not to afford to support it.

Rugrat makes the basic point well: Her sense of obligation to others is overwhelmed in her situation by her financial duty to her young family. Others, such as OurObsession, can possibly afford to be less desperate in their decisionmaking, and has tentatively expressed as much, with admirable courage. While Skater, quite correctly, has railed against the media's appalling 'expectation' that the the landlord can and therefore will cover any and all shortfalls of income.

Where does this leave us? Well, if you think society is just a conglomerate of individuals engaged in a relentless war of all against all, then Dazz might make the most sense to you on this. If you think however that society is more than the sum of its parts, something which you think is the greater, better part of you, then Aaron's generosity of heart might make seem a lot more appealing to you (although he is otherwise far from being a card-carrying socialist, as I'm sure he'll attest).

This isn't about capitalism versus communism, haves versus have-nots, or media versus landlords. In the end, it all boils down to a question of your own personal identity: What sort of person do you want to see yourself as?

As basically a lone ranger, on the one hand; or as basically a community builder, on the other (or, more likely, as someone confusedly meandering in-between, like the rest of us)?

It's almost a truism that rich people without charity lack nobility of character, just as poor people with only heart lack the nobility of means. Perhaps the answer is to settle the battle of identity with yourself first, and then choose which battles your identity requires you to wage, and how.

Just because we may all be landlords, we are far from all determined to be the same because of this circumstance. We are still, and always will be, different people sharing one society.

despite being a nutcase* you make far more sense than most

* meant in the best possible way

 

[Belbo]

despite being a nutcase* you make far more sense than most

* meant in the best possible way

Yep, I'm a nutter, certified and stamped, but I get my encouragement to put it on show because so many of you speak here from your many and varied hearts.

My kudos to you all.

 

[jaycee]

You do realise we all assume you look like your avator

 

[locko24]

You do realise we all assume you look like your avator

Really? I think i should change mine then...

 

[Belbo]

You do realise we all assume you look like your avator

You are an absolute classic, Jaycee. No-one ever comes out with such cracker dumb **** as you do, and it's all pure poetry. You are my muse!

 

[jaycee]

Really? I think i should change mine then...

hhahaha locko looks like a tractor

 

[locko24]

hhahaha locko looks like a tractor

Actually, that's pretty close!

 

[Intrinsic_Value]

and isnt it great that everyone gives an opinion relative to their own financial position.

Same facts, different landlords
Landlord (a) just starting off with a negatively geared property, sacrificing like mad to pay the difference out of their own salaries.

Landlord (b) did the property thing along time ago, has subsequently paid off most of the debt, now operates a large cash flow positive residential property portfolio.

How might their opinions differ from the point of view of the landlord.

 

[skater]

..and that is the spirit I understood your point, (generalising about 'evil/heartless' landlords).

Ah, OK, that is correct.

I'm very comfortable to talk with you, listen to you, you have 'been there-done that' in investing.

I feel the same way. I know you've got rungs on the board, have a rational mind, and I feel comfortable with your knowledge, investing style as well as personalities.

I always listen very closely to the Skaters.

What? All of us? Sheesh, that's half the forum.

 

[skater]

You do realise we all assume you look like your avator

Cool! I don't mind looking like my avator.