Ebbie said:A silly but related question about margin loans:
If you had $200K worth of shares and took out a 50% margin loan does this mean you are borrowing a further $200K (with new TOTAL share portfolio of $400K), LVR of 50%.
It doesn't mean 50% of your $200K, or borrowing a further $100k for new TOTAL share portfolio of $300K does it?
Making sure I understand correctly.....
Don't worry Ebbie, it takes a good explanation to really get your head around margin loans, and I haven't found one resource online that goes into the calculations deeply. I even had a guy from BT and girl from Commsec unable to go through a worked example of how many shares I would have to sell to meet a certain margin call in a specific example. They had to ring me back, because they got confused using a calculator.
I am not an expert but I offer this. Please correct me if I am wrong on any of this everyone.
When you use the term "x% margin loan", the x refers to "loan to value ratio" or LVR.... i.e. the ratio when you put the $ value of the loan over the $ value of the full investment (or potential investment).
In your example, a 50% margin loan means you have borrowed 50% from the bank, and contributed the rest out of your own money or stocks, which is also 50%.
A 70% margin loan means the bank lends 70% of the value of the investment or potential investment, and you contribute 30%.
THus for your example, if you commit $200k of shares towards the loan, a 50% margin loan from the bank will be $200k, thus making your total possible investment $400k. ie LVR= $200/400
Staff at BT told me the LVR is a fixed ratio related to the value of your contribution, and the LVR of the stocks or funds you are in. For instance if you buy one stock that the banks are prepared to offer a LVR of 70%, then the LVR for that loan remains 70%.
However, one of the things the banks confuse the issue with is different nomenclature for another ratio relating to margin loans, and that is the gearing ratio. This relates to how much of the loan you have invested at any one time. Just because you get approval for a margin loan of $200k, you don't have to fully use it.
Not using the full capacity of the margin loan is another way to help avoid margin calls. If you use only 80% of your 70% LVR loan, then you have built in more safety before a margin call is issued.
Does anyone else want to volunteer what percentage a share price must fall to trigger a margin call on a 70% LVR and 80% gearing ratio? Assume a 10% buffer offered by the lender.
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