My education revolution idea

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aussierogue

Who wants to back me???

What about a real school of hard knocks or atleast university of the renaissance man.

Here me out. On the wires today research stating that the education system as we know it is pretty much stuffed. Leading researcher reckons all Australian universities will be wiped out by 2025. Pretty harrowing stuff especially for someone with children and for someone who has recently decided to become an educator.

But its a sign of the crazy times. Fastest change since the industrial revolution. Forget Uranium and atomic bombs - its computers and technology that appear to be the inventions that could destoy us - lol - ok im being dramatic.

But lets think about this...we have had threads about job security (there is none) and what we would study if we had our times again. We have also had threads about being renaissiance men and woman and the need to be accross mutiple skill sets.

Well hows this for a degree...check my cariculum

Bachelor of Living Aussierogue University

4 year course.

Mondays - Trades - carpentry, basic plumbing, electrics

Tuesdays - Show me the money - book keepeing, wealth creation through shares, property, small business, entrepreneurship.

Wednesdays - Environment, cooking, gardening, living off the land

Thursdays - Technology - computers, programming, social media etc etc..

Fridays - Elective but needs to be where the jobs are (Nursing, sport, aged care, social media, the arts, military, WWE)

Each day is taught by an expert in their field - and i mean real experts....

People pay 50-80k to go to college to learn how to design a bridge or how to market a bottle of fizzy drink....crikey id pay 100k for my course.....bloody good fun!

At the end we have a well rounded person able to do any number of jobs. Probably diploma level (just below degree) in 5 disciplines

Masters of living 6 years....(degree level in 4 disciplines)

PHD (full renaissancve man/woman) - 8 years Masters or equiv in 4 disciplines - can build house from scratch, qual accountant, create an eco friendly household eco system that makes money and sell his wares over the internet

Solves numerous social and demographicn problems. people can do one job or upto 4 casual jobs - having the flexibility to change in such an uncertain environment. Also means the older population can stay in the workplace.

you heard it first here....revolution complete

Seed money? Anyone Anyone?

Aussie
 
Sounds like a batchelor of a "Jack of all trades and master of none".

That's what the world needed 200 years ago. Today you need to find the one little thing you are good and talented at, and become the best at it.

The world is too complicated now to learn about everything. Its far better that we all specialise in our own little area.

I don't want to know how to build a house. I don't need to know how a TV works, or how to fix my car. Instead, I work at what I'm good at, to earn money, to pay someone who knows how to do these things, instead of me.

You are going backwards 200 years, not forward at all.


See ya's.
 
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Are you insinuating that this degree will cost less, or would be better value?

Having 100 people as 'jack of all trades and master of none' is NOT better than having 20 master nurses, 20 master bridge builders, 20 master electricians, 20 master plumbers and 20 master programmers, or whatever :confused:.

To be quite honest the idea sounds a bit silly to me :p.
 
aussierogue said:
Who wants to back me???

What about a real school of hard knocks or atleast university of the renaissance man.

Here me out. On the wires today research stating that the education system as we know it is pretty much stuffed. Leading researcher reckons all Australian universities will be wiped out by 2025. Pretty harrowing stuff especially for someone with children and for someone who has recently decided to become an educator.

But its a sign of the crazy times. Fastest change since the industrial revolution. Forget Uranium and atomic bombs - its computers and technology that appear to be the inventions that could destoy us - lol - ok im being dramatic.

But lets think about this...we have had threads about job security (there is none) and what we would study if we had our times again. We have also had threads about being renaissiance men and woman and the need to be accross mutiple skill sets.

Well hows this for a degree...check my cariculum

Bachelor of Living Aussierogue University

4 year course.

Mondays - Trades - carpentry, basic plumbing, electrics

Tuesdays - Show me the money - book keepeing, wealth creation through shares, property, small business, entrepreneurship.

Wednesdays - Environment, cooking, gardening, living off the land

Thursdays - Technology - computers, programming, social media etc etc..

Fridays - Elective but needs to be where the jobs are (Nursing, sport, aged care, social media, the arts, military, WWE)

Each day is taught by an expert in their field - and i mean real experts....

People pay 50-80k to go to college to learn how to design a bridge or how to market a bottle of fizzy drink....crikey id pay 100k for my course.....bloody good fun!

At the end we have a well rounded person able to do any number of jobs. Probably diploma level (just below degree) in 5 disciplines

Masters of living 6 years....(degree level in 4 disciplines)

PHD (full renaissancve man/woman) - 8 years Masters or equiv in 4 disciplines - can build house from scratch, qual accountant, create an eco friendly household eco system that makes money and sell his wares over the internet

Solves numerous social and demographicn problems. people can do one job or upto 4 casual jobs - having the flexibility to change in such an uncertain environment. Also means the older population can stay in the workplace.

you heard it first here....revolution complete

Seed money? Anyone Anyone?

Aussie
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Monday - sickie or RDO.
Friday - sickie, or "POETS" day

You'll need to re-think your calendar and fit it into three days; not too early a start either..
 
You forgot the all important "skills" of how to claim the baby bonus, how to fill out the stress leave form, how to correctly avoid a paying job so you don't have to move off the dole.

All highly sought after skills in today's world. :p :D
 
You're right about the changes in education tho.

My 9yr old goes into yr5 next year - and last week the teachers and parents had a meeting about the kids getting their Macbooks for next year! So still in primary school they are getting laptop computers for their work.

As explained by the presenter, teaching is not so much about content, but rather teaching the kids about creativity in action and thought - finding the answers for themselves whether through research or "google" - interpreting the results and presenting such.

Very true and very interesting times. Was a bit boogling for someone who left school in the early 80's
 
I am deadly serious

whats the point being a speciallist when technology is changing / moving the goalposts so fast?

Building a house / knowing trades is not just about a vocation - its a chance to learn skills that will save you hundreds of thousands of dollars over a lifetime, as potentially would knowing how to be fully self sufficient.

And if one line of employment drops out you can quickly monaouve to pick up more work in another....

Doesant mean the whole world should do this degree but if lets say you get the same amount of people who chose to study a degree in 18th century french history - then i know which ones will probably get a job over the others.

technology is decimating most industries....we need as people to learn to move quicly from one vocation to another and also get used to casual work. It would seem to me having more than one line of potential employment is wise.

EG i have 4 streems of income. Business owner (online), investment, property, casual lecturing...I am also now owner building my house and will get on the tools....should give me some great experience


I think its a great idea - and i am putting my money with my mouth is - put 10 bucks of seed capital into a new bank account only this morning

MOMENTUM!
 
aussierogue said:
Who wants to back me???


4 year course.

Mondays - Trades - carpentry, basic plumbing, electrics

Tuesdays - Show me the money - book keepeing, wealth creation through shares, property, small business, entrepreneurship.

Wednesdays - Environment, cooking, gardening, living off the land

Thursdays - Technology - computers, programming, social media etc etc..

Fridays - Elective but needs to be where the jobs are (Nursing, sport, aged care, social media, the arts, military, WWE)

Each day is taught by an expert in their field - and i mean real experts....


you heard it first here....revolution complete

Seed money? Anyone Anyone?

Aussie
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Sorry - someone's beaten you to it about 15 years ago.... :) And our Church did it right from kindergarten through to young adulthood.


What we did find however is that you don't need the Tuesday class - we emphasised the contents of Monday and Wednesday - because if you have these down pat, you become self sufficient.

We did add in however things you might think are not important - dancing, singing, musical instruments. And yes we put in literacy and mathematics for the juniors.

We also added in animal husbandry (as part of the farming experience).

We don't let them have Saturday and Sunday off either - sounds cruel - but plants and animals don't get the weekend off!

You may not agree with all of it (few do), but we've turned out some brilliant young people. Just to let you know it exists, and can be done.

The Y-man
 
aussierogue said:
On the wires today research stating that the education system as we know it is pretty much stuffed. Leading researcher reckons all Australian universities will be wiped out by 2025.
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Here is the story:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-10-24/universities-operating-on-borrowed-time/4330662

"Australian universities are "on borrowed time" and urgently need to rethink their business model, according to an independent review.

The Ernst & Young reports says over the next decade, most public universities in Australia will be unviable due to cuts in Government funding and the growth of online learning options."

Not exactly something we didn't already know: the internet has changed things.

Don't forget that in Australia the Universities BUILT the internet in the mid 1980s and have been using it to support learning since before the WWW in the early 1990s.
 
Good on you for wanting to be a Remaissance man and educate people to become so. The world (and knowledge) have become so fractured that it’s almost impossible to be a wholesome person these days.

However you may have missed the guiding quality behind every Renaissance man like Leonardo, Bacon, Pythagoras or Newton: the ability to see the world as one. Without this understanding that is very spiritual in nature (but not necessarily religious), all the knowledge that you can accumulate will continue to be fractured and divisive.

This century is very fortunate in having a global tool – the internet – that normally should advance this type of knowledge, but unfortunately the Renaissance man remains as rare as ever.

At the end of the day, what you know is less important than how you have come to that knowledge.
 
aussierogue said:
whats the point being a speciallist when technology is changing / moving the goalposts so fast?
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Because this is a myth, perpetuated by people who's job it is to make you buy stuff.

The fundamental ways in which computer technology works, for example, have really not changed in decades. Sure, we've made things run faster, we've made networks that transfer data more quickly, and we've improved user interfaces, but the underlying smarts really hasn't changed much. But these are refinements, not breakthroughs. Things like smart-phones have been around as a concept for many years, it just took time to develop componentry that was small enough, light enough, fast enough, and most importantly cheap enough.

Things like electric and hybrid cars have been around for decades, they just haven't been economically viable, and stuff like battery technology hasn't been up to the challenge. But, like computing devices, these things are a refinement. Moving from horses to cars was a breakthrough - making the cars faster and more comfortable is just further refining the concept.

I don't think things are really changing that quickly. People still have the same problems to solve in order to live their lives.
 
@yv berliner

education, retail (two of australia's biggest industries), journalism, the arts all moving so quickly....there are many others - its not a myth we just havent caught up yet. Already the nature of work has changed and the percentage of people with jobs and vocations for life has dramitically reduced. 40 year olds are expected to have 10 jobs and 3 vocations. If thats not a trend then i dont know what is.

@truong

There is definatley a spiritual element in my idea...hence why i am also mixing them all together - they may / produce a great whole - all things are connected. So i agree with you....spirituality is part if th gig.

@yman - care to elaborate? Are we talking steiner? Anyway i am taking for 18-30 year olds....and where you actually achive qualifications in many disciples. I am glad that you agree that the idea can work for certain peiople/communities in certain times

@weg

Because people still want university qualifications.
 
Can i also talk about the HIP FACTOR here.

S0o many smart young people hate the idea of university agter 13 ardous years at high school. Many are so jaded and hate the choices of land stereotypical vocations ahead of them that they take 1 or 2 years off to have fun doing many of the things my degree actually teaches.....

I have no doubt from a marketing and hip perspective many students would find the idea of this wide, varied, and interesting carriculm a toxic mix.

No one day in the same space. One day in nature, next day at a desk, one day workshop next day working on computers....wow!

Where do is sign?
 
Kind of like a Bachelor of Arts in life.

But even more useless for getting a job!

Here I thought parents were meant to provide their children with 18 years of 'teaching' the things you mentioned?
 
aussierogue said:
No one day in the same space. One day in nature, next day at a desk, one day workshop next day working on computers....wow!
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Sounds great. Sounds like an ideal job too, but unfortunately, employers pay for people to do specific roles. Usually, the high paying, secure jobs are held by those who have general skills (communication, marketing, design, management, IT) WITHIN a specialist role (engineering, law, logistics, product design, accounting, IT, etc). i.e. the person who can speak to different groups in their own 'language' and manage complex systems.

They have to be a specialist in at least one thing to start with, to get the opportunity to develop the other skills. If I'm hiring an IT guy, does it matter that they learned to change washers or repair furniture? If I'm hiring a nurse, I would prefer the person who has a lot of experience being a nurse, as opposed to someone who has a lot of different skills, because not all of which can be applied to the job. Generalists wouldn't get the job in the first place.

The valuable employee will be say the IT guy who starts as an IT guy, then seeks to understand how the other departments work, and develops the skills and knowledge to talk to them.

My suggestion? The parents have to teach the kids the joys of learning. Stop depending on the education system to do it.
 
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