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- Driver education was minimal
what's more interesting is that if you look at the world data on the same site, germany is not too far off with 6.something per 100,000 population. with the speedlimits being higher than aus, population almost 4 times higher than aus, and country being much smaller than aus.
plus all the crazy tourists they get from all over europe
so you are right, we shouldn't be winding back the very measures that improved the road safety. however it's yet to be proven that speed limits as they are today, had any impact on the safety whatsoever.
cause i'm sure there were speed limits in the 80's too, and they probably were stricter than what we have now anyway cause the roads were ****.
Were you driving in the 70s and 80s? Law enforcement was nowhere near the level it is today, with radar / laser guns, cameras, fully equipped patrol cars out there all the time etc etc etc
As to your first paragraph, it makes no sense to me. The figures are a death rate per 100,000 people so population is irrelevant. They have much better roads due to the shorter distances they have to travel and far more predictable wildlife with fenced autobahns etc etc. I would fully expect Germany's road toll to be far better than ours but it isn't - I wonder why?
.. On a driving holiday in England a couple of years ago, I was amazed at how much better drivers over there were. On the motorways left lane drivers would be doing 60-70MPH, middle lane 70-80MPH and right lane 80+. Do the wrong thing and they let you know about it, but they are far more courteous and respect the fact that everyone is just trying to get somewhere. No where near the aggression we get here.
no i wasn't. but i know it was quite common to knock down a couple at a pub and then drive back home. so if you are going to be telling me that better (questionably) enforcement of speed limits is responsible for safer roads than i'm going to call you a liar.
So we are fined for going over the limit in the city, even though 75% of road deaths in SA occur on country roads. The hypocrisy is staggering.
I don't see how people think driving faster is safer though.
I can virtually eliminate the road toll. Cut the speed limit to 5kms. there you go, and if it saves just one life it will all be worth it - when shall we start?
Speed limits are lower in urban areas. Lower energy impact crashes tend to injure people more often than kill them.
Note though that the limit is 70mph (about 110km/h) whilst the de-facto speed is about 80 (130) .
I think Germans are the most prolific drinkers on Earth - not far ahead of us?As to your first paragraph, it makes no sense to me. The figures are a death rate per 100,000 people so population is irrelevant. They have much better roads due to the shorter distances they have to travel and far more predictable wildlife with fenced autobahns etc etc. I would fully expect Germany's road toll to be far better than ours but it isn't - I wonder why?
I was.Were you driving in the 70s and 80s? Law enforcement was nowhere near the level it is today, with radar / laser guns, cameras, fully equipped patrol cars out there all the time etc etc etc
The road offense program was pretty good - there were "speed tapes" on various roads, with the cops hidden up the road a bit to pull you over. They worked on the S=D/T formula. The tapes were almost invisible on the road until it was too late.
exactly.
1.4 of a difference, with no consideration made to the causes of accidents.
Sounds terrific in theory.Yep. I love driving in Europe. Much more traffic but much more respect for the process of driving.
If people were serious about road safety they would look at what rubber they put on their car.
I just replaced the tyres on my car. I spent a lot of cash to get the best possible performance, including braking performance, from them.
These are all performance tyres, but it gives you an idea of how much difference tyres can make to safety.
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31810
I'd like everyone who wants speed limits to remain the same/be lower to go outside, have a look at their tyres. If you've bought cheap rubbish like Goodride, you will still be travelling 15m further down the road from where I have come to a safe stop. If they are bald or you have retreads, then I have no time for you at all.
http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/2012-Autobild-50-Tyre-Braking-Test.htm