Plan for my parents - immigrants

Hi guys

I am currently running some scenarios for my parents, who will move to Australia from overseas next year and retire here. All in all, it's their money and future but since presumably I know a lot know than them locally I really like to draft a plan for them.

My parents are both over 55s but below 60 at the moment. After moving here, their cash income will be very limited, mostly dependent on their overseas pension, which is altogether barely $AUD1000 per month, subject to exchange rate. They will not be entitled to any pension from Australia, as stated by the immigration rules, for the next exact ten years after their arrival. So in conclusion, their cash flow is AUD$1000 per month altogether.

They are cashed up with AUD$450k, all their savings and profits from selling their overseas property. Put aside at least $50k for their funds for emergency use in the bank, this leaves they circa $400k to buy a residence property here in NSW, where my family live. I now $400k is a very limited budget for buying a property here, so I want to plan carefully for them.

Here are my scenarios:

1) use all $400k to buy a decent one-bedder with low strata and maintenance fees. This leaves them $1k per month plus interest earned from $50k, to live a o.k. life (pls I understand it's way below AU retirement 'standard'). They really have good saving habit and I think this scenario is not too bad for them.
After ten years, they could be having $2000 (AU pension in today's rate) +$1000=$3000 income per month and a paid off home which can make sure them having a much comfortable life.

2) I have an investment property as two-bed apartment, which valued as $550 atm. It is not too bad located and in a very decent status. My parents can simply put in their cash $400k in the existing mortgage, and pay it off straight away. However, this one has a higher strata cost and one extra bedroom they possibly don't need. I don't think they have enough income to cover all the expense in the next ten years, without our finance assistance. I am not expecting them to lease one bedroom out and assume in this age, they don't really want to live with a stranger. And also this leaves complications to the tax and finance for the both families. This seems a last resort to me.

3) In my mind this is a risky but might be a worthwhile try. If they split $400k into two $200k. With the first half, they buy into retirement village which I think $150k will be sufficient for a one bedder. The rest $50k and the saving $50k assumed put aside could cover the supposedly high strata fee and also earn some interest.
With the another half they can invest in a $500k unit which can be at least neutral cash flow after they put in $200k. I think it is easy to achieve neutral cash flow with LVR 66.7%. I can help them set up the loan, and I think it won't have any financial burden on me as the interest is covered by rent.
They will move in this $500k unit after ten years. And almost paid off the loan $300k by at least $200k after sell the retirement village unit (assuming no CP!). They can have a comfortable life with <$50k mortgage, and a cash flow income of $3000/month, after ten years.

All the scenarios are based on some general assumptions of their life style. Scenario 3 seems ambitious but is it doable? What do you guys think?

My parents are non-english speakers and they move here because I am the only kid they have and we all want to be close when they getting old. It is a challenge for them I believe and that's why I need a good plan for them.

Much thanks for help.
 
This strategy probably depletes their capital, but may be more comfortable. It also depends on your ability to service the loan... something i know nothing about!

This is purely conceptual - its a basic strategy that would need to be modified to suit your and your parents situation.

  • You purchase an investment property - house that has the ability to put a granny flat.
  • They put $100k towards your deposit. ($450k - $100k = $350k)
  • You rent out the existing house.
  • They put down another $100k to build a granny flat ($350k - $100k = $250k).
  • They invest the balance of $250k into an Account Based Pension drawing the minimum payment (4% of account balance) and investing the funds conservatively (eg 80% defensive + 20% growth). This should provide them with $10k p.a.
  • Given their income levels, no tax should be payable - between them there will be $20k p.a. ($10k overseas pension + $10k account based pension) - based on 2013/2014 tax rates, their tax would be nil as an individual can earn up to $20,500 p.a. without incurring tax (due to low income tax offset).

The alternative option is for you to move into the main house and have them in the granny flat - they did move here to be closer to you!

Another alternative is that they put $300k to the investment property (instead of the $100k), leaving $50k in cash. I daresay being the only child, the money is going to you - so why not buy a place you can all enjoy together :)

You should also consider seeing a financial planner (a proper one, not the bank based one - if any one of them recommend you invest $400k-450k into an account based pension and disregard everything you say, then I would pick another that takes your goals into consideration).

Couple reasons why i do not like Option #3. Its riskier and they may not be comfortable. Plus they moved here to be closer to you. Not to be in an retirement village. :)
 
Have you considered you spend 120k and build a GF/extension at your PPOR if suitable and you are in a position to do so?

Your parents could cover the interest payments on the extra borrowings for the GF and invest their 400k elsewhere.
 
Thanks bro. but a bit confusion. so you mean they put down $100k or alternatively $350k as deposit for a property with large land which they could build a FG to live in and lease the front main house out? If they put in $350k this sounds a bit aggressive for just live in a GF...

How about my scenario 1 and 2?

BTW Do you have any good financial planner to recommend?
 
so you mean they put down $100k or alternatively $350k as deposit for a property with large land which they could build a FG to live in
Yes to this point
and lease the front main house out? If they put in $350k this sounds a bit aggressive for just live in a GF...
No to this point. It would not be viable if they purchased the house and built a granny flat.... funding wise I just could not see it happen - which lender would even consider lending them money?

This is merely a suggestion....

  • YOU buy (not your parents) an investment property (house that has the potential to put a granny flat.
  • YOUR parents lend/give YOU $100k towards a deposit for this investment property.
  • YOU fund the difference from your own funds / bank loan.
  • YOUR parents then pay for the cost of building a Granny Flat (approx $100k) in the backyard of this investment property and they live in this.
  • Meanwhile you rent out the existing house.

This effectively means they have bought a place for $200k.
You also stand to benefit as you've got an investment property where you are now collecting the rent.

Alternatively instead of buying it as an investment property, you move into yourself. Your parents are nearby, but not under the same roof.

Personally i don't like option 1 or 2 because it doesn't leave them any available funds. I also don't like 3 because they are in a nursing village.

If this were my situation and I had a PPR I was living in and investment property (unit), I would consider

1. Selling the investment property (unit) - though i would keep it if i could... but it really depends on cash flow.
2. Making the PPR an investment property
3. Buying a new PPR and build a granny flat at the back.

This way I still get rental income, I'm close to my parents, my parents still have money they can play with.

That said, if my parents were willing to use more for a deposit, it could potentially mean I could move to a better suburb and have access to more equity later (due to higher growth in $ terms).
 
Thanks neK. Your advices are very useful. However recently we bought a PPOR and now it seems not practical to buy again, since we don't have any deposit ourselves. And just use my parents $100k as deposit it is not easy to buy a property with land larger enough in NSW. Between 1 and 2, what one do you think it's more viable?

I am probably wrong towards retirement village. But i didn't mean those with assistant service. I mean normal unit but has a restriction that only over 55s can buy, which make them a lot cheaper without compromise the life style. I maybe wrong but a unit for over 55's is only to say $200k, whilst it is supposed to be sold for $500k if without restriction?
 
Since they are non-English speakers, you would also have to consider the following when deciding what type of accommodation they would live in.

1. If you or your partner is busy and you can't be around much for them they would need company meaning that they should live close to their community. (This is on the basis that they will not work here in Australia once they arrive.) You have to ensure that they don't get too bored here.

2. I am also going to assume that they are not really going go drive here in Australia because of their age and language barrier, especially your mother. This means that they will have to live to close to shops and public transport.

I am giving this advice because my parents are about 7-8 years older than your parents and are in similar situation- language barrier (both my parents have functional English and can go to doctors, accountants etc by themselves but no where close to perfect English, so they either call me from doctor's and accountant's office for detailed explanations because I can't always accompany them), and health issues. And to be frank their English level is dropping as they are getting older and now prefer to see doctors from our background whenever they can and will travel for that. This was never the case 5-10 years ago. They chose the doctor based on referrals and proximity. The calls from specialists office accountant's office is getting more frequent. The accountant issue have been fixed up and will never have to one again last year as they officially retired and have no taxable income.

Currently they live in an area where it is mostly populated by white Aussies and very far from train station and shopping centres. They need to travel 5-6 kms to go shopping and even though they are OK to drive now, they have expressed difficulties of driving unfamiliar areas and in the dark and now going on public transport because the distance is too far for them to drive. Their wish is that in the next 10 years to move closer to their church. At the moment they go on the bus-train-bus to go to church and it takes 90 mins one way but dare not drive the distance. When they want to eat our own food they need to travel out to Strathfield and need to go to Campsie/Strathfield to do specific groceries. Right now they forego and do without getting the food (they call me and ask if I am going in that direction to buy something and most of the time I have to say no) but in the future they want to be close to everything-shopping, doctors, church etc. So your purchase shouldn't just be determined by finances alone.

I am there for them but I can't be around every single moment for them and you have to consider their need for particular amenities as they get older. Even though I have a brother, he is extremely ill and I am like their only child like you.
 
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Am I right to the point if all prefer living under the different roof and at the different address (they are not going to live in a GF back at our house), the earlier they buy themselves the better, especially in NSW market? Every family is different, to us I think all feel more comfortable living separately though say being closer, 20-30min drive, enable me to at least take care for emergency and take them around shopping groceries, whilst I am not able to if they stay overseas.
 
Thank you Meisterin. Your story shed some lights on me. Definitely we are considering buying in communities from our background, and there are quite a few choices around. I don't think they will drive and they are not social persons and will enjoy just hanging around the local communities, doing some groceries shopping, fishing and watch digital TV (in their native languages). Basically the principle my parents move there is they can do most they can do overseas with their lifestyle and hobbies, and closer to me. If they are very social and like to hanging out with friends, then moving here might not be the best option.
 
They might not want to live in a gf at the back of your place but imo it is by far the best option as they only have 450k to buy a property with, keep some savings and live off for the next 20 or 30 years. Imo buying a property isnt going to work, especially a 400k strata property. Living off 1k per month for a couple new to the country is going to be too tight imo. Dont forget your strata fees and insurances would come out of that figure too. Australia is not a great place to retire cheaply imo.

Do they have access to medicare or do they have to sekf fund medical expenses?
 
Thanks Sanj. They will have medicare immediately. My point is once they get accessed to pension here after ten years then they will have a much more comfortable life, with additional overseas pension. So the difficulties are here for the first ten years and we are trying to work out we can do in a way everyone is happy.
 
Thanks neK. Your advices are very useful. However recently we bought a PPOR and now it seems not practical to buy again, since we don't have any deposit ourselves. And just use my parents $100k as deposit it is not easy to buy a property with land larger enough in NSW. Between 1 and 2, what one do you think it's more viable?

I am probably wrong towards retirement village. But i didn't mean those with assistant service. I mean normal unit but has a restriction that only over 55s can buy, which make them a lot cheaper without compromise the life style. I maybe wrong but a unit for over 55's is only to say $200k, whilst it is supposed to be sold for $500k if without restriction?

I'm guessing you're referring to something like this?
http://www.domain.com.au/Property/For-Sale/Apartment-Unit-Flat/NSW/Strathfield/?adid=2010298291

Not sure if these have their own facilities or what the strata/management fees would be like though.

Out of 1 and 2, I would go option #1, but look at something smaller. Your location says Wolli Creek, so maybe an unit Campsie/Belmore might be a good option.

http://www.domain.com.au/Property/For-Sale/Apartment-Unit-Flat/NSW/Belmore/?adid=2010726821

There are places in Campsie that sell for under $400k, older style units. Usually lowish strata. Im guessing you're of asian descent, so there are plenty of shops there of that demographic.
 
I'm guessing you're referring to something like this?
http://www.domain.com.au/Property/For-Sale/Apartment-Unit-Flat/NSW/Strathfield/?adid=2010298291

Not sure if these have their own facilities or what the strata/management fees would be like though.

Out of 1 and 2, I would go option #1, but look at something smaller. Your location says Wolli Creek, so maybe an unit Campsie/Belmore might be a good option.

http://www.domain.com.au/Property/For-Sale/Apartment-Unit-Flat/NSW/Belmore/?adid=2010726821

There are places in Campsie that sell for under $400k, older style units. Usually lowish strata. Im guessing you're of asian descent, so there are plenty of shops there of that demographic.

Hi Nek, yes, I am thinking about something like this in your first link.
 
Pinkman,

are they coming out on Contributory Parent (Migrant) visas?

Just asking as the second instalment of visa application charge is $42 220 per person.
 
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