Craig - im fascinated you sit around talking about triffles with a group of blokey carpenters. They brew beer in different ways. Maybe thats more your demographic?
I know moderators - off topic....
Actually not really the blokey blokes that i know live from week to week and have no plans for the future , the triffel metaphore sits better with those that want to secure their financial future, the others just want to **** their money up the wall??