smsf shares to buy?

Lizzie thank you for this thread.
I have noted down what everyone has said. I am starting my etrade acct through the trust and I will be purchasing in lots of $1000 to start myself off.
In May i will have my first lot of employee share plans allocated. Thank goodness for the strong AUD, might get a few - maybe 10 shares! :)

Would highly recommend purchasing higher parcels. At $30 in and $30 out, that's 6% commission! It's like paying stamp duty
 
Would highly recommend purchasing higher parcels. At $30 in and $30 out, that's 6% commission! It's like paying stamp duty

but isnt this suppossed to be a 'superannuation' type portfolio.
This means very low turnover. 'Buy' and concentrate on the day job. Come back once a year to review the situation. If nothing drastic, see you next year.

Therefore the main protection is dollar cost average, some will be better, some will be worse. But for a superannuation portfolio whereby one is looking at decades instead of years, the most important is the underlying companies. Something akin to property (no property doesnt increase every 7-10 years) but over the long term property does increase, sometimes more sometimes less. For a superannuation portfolio of shares i would be targeting a similar strategy.

Alternatively you can be like intrinsic_value. You can sit in front of the computer screen for hours a day, searching out opportunities. You move in and out of positions based on valuations. Are the returns worth it? well depends, this year i am up more than 30%, against an overall market that has done basically nothing.

But whats the opportunity cost? I can tell you straight out, my returns wouldnt be anything like this if i was trying to hold down a 'day job'.

Over the last 20 years, i have transitioned, from employee to business owner, to stock investor (speculator?). But its still work in one form or another.

Is this something that should be considered for a superannuation type investment? short answer: no. Superannuation is long long term.

keep the superannuation slow and steady, thats my opinion.
 
Well said IV.

Different approaches are needed for the full-time vs the part-time share market investor, and also inside super versus outside super.

Active versus passive approaches.

For super I prefer a much more passive approach.

Don't want to be glued to a computer screen in retirement.
 
Don't want to be glued to a computer screen in retirement.

I am sure that's what the Storm investors said last time when they forgot that they got margin called by CBA/Macquarie. It's always good to be informed about your investments, no matter what stage you are at in your life.
 
I am sure that's what the Storm investors said last time when they forgot that they got margin called by CBA/Macquarie. It's always good to be informed about your investments, no matter what stage you are at in your life.

Well of course you should be informed.
Being passive doesn't mean you shouldn't be informed.
 
Would highly recommend purchasing higher parcels. At $30 in and $30 out, that's 6% commission! It's like paying stamp duty

I know what you mean but I do not have the higher parcel lying around. And by waiting for the higher parcel, I will end up not doing it or not getting into it. Spending the money elsewhere on other non-income producing things. I don't want the it is too expensive to enter excuse to be a hinderance anymore.
 
Originally Posted by Intrinsic_Value
This means very low turnover. 'Buy' and concentrate on the day job. Come back once a year to review the situation. If nothing drastic, see you next year.
I strongly disagree. If this is the way you wish to proceed, do it via an actively managed fund, but do a lot of research first.

The first choice of most Australians is "ASX Growth" and again I would strongly recommend NOT going that way. "International hedged shares" would be more like it but you should seek advice. Cheaper to start in the right direction than to correct later.
 
SF ... what about your own SMSF, where you have researched and selected quality shares?

Surely this would be a set buy orders, revisit every couple of months to check/reinstate buy orders and reinvest dividends, keep ear to ground ... but not hover or weave.
 
SF ... what about your own SMSF, where you have researched and selected quality shares?

Surely this would be a set buy orders, revisit every couple of months to check/reinstate buy orders and reinvest dividends, keep ear to ground ... but not hover or weave.
I've retired Liz. I have no super and buy individual stocks but with mixed success. In my experience, shares are a minefield ATM.

Nothing I have seen since the GFC says buy&hold works any more. If you can find a fund with US and Asian stocks you may be better of just trusting the "experts". Having said that, I never have so why should you believe me now? :D
 
I strongly disagree. If this is the way you wish to proceed, do it via an actively managed fund, but do a lot of research first.

The first choice of most Australians is "ASX Growth" and again I would strongly recommend NOT going that way. "International hedged shares" would be more like it but you should seek advice. Cheaper to start in the right direction than to correct later.

yes this could also work, i especially like the international shares consideration, but in my opinion not hedged (not with AU$ where it is now).

I would also consider index funds due to their low fees.

There is no single right pathway.

I would argue though that superannuation is supposed to be thought of in terms of the long term. Too many retail investors get over caught up in current events and manage their self managed super in light of those current events.
 
Wow - that could really screw with your head!

Finally got everything sorted and placed orders this morning. Within 30 seconds the portfolio was up over $1k ... 1 minute later it was down by $1k.

(** and in the time it took to write this post - it's back to break even **)

I guess the secret is NOT TO LOOK. They are all quality stock, bought in the bottom 3rd of what they have traded at over the last 12 months and are strong dividend bearing ...
 
Wow - that could really screw with your head!
I guess the secret is NOT TO LOOK. They are all quality stock, bought in the bottom 3rd of what they have traded at over the last 12 months and are strong dividend bearing ...

Yes.. you must look but stick to your trading plan.

Ice
 
I wise move...I see people jump into SMSF's like leemings to buy property. Besides the ultra conservative compliance requirements the issue of balancing CF for property in a SMSF is an after thought. Watch this space as people scream when their SMSF in property goes pear shaped. Too many people don'y understand the risks.

As for where to keep Super..I moved to Diversified Fixed Interest (govt bonds and bluechip Company bonds). Bonds tend to do well when there is uncertainty like now. In the last 2 months I have added about 2k in just one find. I plan to swap in and out of funds including shares depending on the market. My hope is to triple super to 600k+ plus over the next 10 years.

My only regret is not doing something sooner. On hindsight analysis my super went no where for the last 4 years. At least I am paying some attention now.

I know a guy who had 250k in super in 2008 and now had over $1m. He did this via $100k contributions (you were able to do this 2007 &2008 I believe and then continued to contribute 50k). He is over 60 ...now he can contribute only 25k due the limit being taken down effective 1 July 2012. So he made about 500 via contributions ...and the rest via swaping in and out of funds to take advantage of market growth areas. Not many people can do this....but you can do some simple things to get growth.

The other beauty of super is you can draw down a certain amount tax free. I am currrently working on a strategy to move more of my wealth into super. Also super also offers some level of bankruptcy protection.

Sheesh - another thing to sort out.

We're going to roll out of the company run superfund as it's been performing okay, but ...

So, thinking about a SMSF. Obviously I'm a property person, but we have a fair $$ of property outside the superfund so want to keep a bit of balance.

Hubby is over 50, so also looking at good dividend returns, whilst protecting the nest egg ... growth is not as important as dividend. Speculation is definately not important.

Having a scour of what has been paying what over recent years, and what industries are relatively "unrisky" in relation to competition threat either local or international, and looking at what industries will retain a high-ish return over the next 5-10 years, we're thinking about equal division between :

WBC
WES
NAB
CBA
TOLL
ANZ
Tabcorp
Macquarie
Woolworths

Would that make us to bank reliant? I like the banks as they have always been steady earners, are government protected (to a degree) and there is really not much competition except between themselves.

Any other suggestions. Should I have more logistics?

We'd still have a goodly bit left over as cash to invest at high interest, and would re-invest the dividend income.
 
Yes...most are a master fund and have lot so other fund managers with different products - i.e. shares, balanced, bonds, cash etc.

The ones I use are Australian Super and AMP Custom Super (employer). I have moved my money to diversified fixed income....as bonds do well in downturns and periods of uncertainty.

When the market picks up (my believe is not this year) ...I move it to shares. Note some funds limit the number of changes you can make others don't.

Can you swap in and out of these funds with relative ease Sash?
 
Another interesting update from Padley

SINCE Dirty Harry first uttered the line ''Do you feel lucky?'' in the early 1970s, the All Ordinaries Index delivered an average annual compound return of 11.7 per cent a year up until the peak in 2007. Add in 4.3 per cent of dividends and you had over three decades of 16 per cent returns a year. Invested in the All Ords a dollar turned into $134.

It has been an incredible three decades of asset speculation and price appreciation in both shares and property prices driven by people borrowing money to invest. At its peak one of the big four banks had an ad of a bloke looking enviously over the fence at his neighbour on a brand-spanking new motor boat with the neighbour saying, ''Equity, Maaate,'' like it was clever.

Borrowing to spend. Such was the confidence in the assumption of perpetual house price appreciation. No wonder share prices went up. No wonder we never questioned fees. It was a 33-year gravy train.

The question now is whether it can continue. For the past five years it hasn't. The sharemarket has gone down 40 per cent. The word has gone out on borrowing, as has the wisdom of driving asset prices up with money you don't own in a game of eternal hot potato. It is no longer considered smart and with the US and Europe saddled with unfathomable liabilities serviced by the printing of even more liabilities it is going to be years, decades even, before it becomes fashionable again.

In which case if you are one of the 65-to-75-year-olds that rode the asset price appreciation over the 33 years to 2007 you should consider yourself very lucky because the chances are that we will never see that happen again, not in your lifetime. Your stocks, your property and your business have all been flattered by a boom in debt. You now need to count your chickens, not your eggs, and be grateful for them because a lot of eggs are never going to hatch. You are a millionaire retiree, thanks to a freak wave, and you should count your lucky stars. And if happiness is expectations met you will be much happier with lower expectations for the next 33 years ignoring the whole finance and property industry, which is still relying on the ''Perfect Wave'' miraculously returning.

But they fail to tell you that for the 33 years before the ''Perfect Wave'' the sharemarket only went up 2.9 per cent a year (less if you include the 1929 crash and the '30s) and inflation was over 4 per cent. People didn't make money in the stockmarket unless they could pick stocks, they didn't invest and expect to make money out of the trend. They invested in specific stocks, not in every stock.

Wouldn't we be better off making 2.9 per cent our base assumption rather than 16 per cent? Won't we be much happier with that? Then, if we do get a bull market, it'll make us happy. At the moment, the ''Perfect Wave'' is our base expectation and it's unlikely to be met and it'll make us unhappy.

And for those of you who are not millionaire retirees because you spent the past 33 years living above rather than below your means, sorry, but you have squandered a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity

And for those of you who were born too late and haven't ridden the wave and been transformed by other people's debt-fuelled exuberance the only thing you can say is ''hard luck''. It was a moment in history and it has gone and you would be well advised to assume that the future for you is going to be something different.

But even you can thank the Lord for small mercies because you could be one of the unfortunates who saddled themselves with overpriced assets somewhere near the top, who funded it with speculative debt, and who now have little or no chance of getting their money back.

Spare a thought for them. They not only didn't make money, they lost it


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