Socialism

[oracle]

An economics professor at a local college made a statement that he had never failed a single student before, but had recently failed an entire class. That class had insisted that Obama's socialism worked and that no one would be poor and no one would be rich, a great equalizer.
The professor then said, "OK, we will have an experiment in this class on Obama's plan". All grades will be averaged and everyone will receive the same grade so no one will fail and no one will receive an A.... (substituting grades for dollars - something closer to home and more readily understood by all).
After the first test, the grades were averaged and everyone got a B. The students who studied hard were upset and the students who studied little were happy. As the second test rolled around, the students who studied little had studied even less and the ones who studied hard decided they wanted a free ride too so they studied little..
The second test average was a D! No one was happy. When the 3rd test rolled around, the average was an F. As the tests proceeded, the scores never increased as bickering, blame and name-calling all resulted in hard feelings and no one would study for the benefit of anyone else. To their great surprise, ALL FAILED and the professor told them that socialism would also ultimately fail because when the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great, but when government takes all the reward away, no one will try or want to succeed. It could not be any simpler than that.
Remember, there IS a test coming up. The 2012 elections.

These are possibly the 5 best sentences you'll ever read and all applicable to this experiment:
1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.
2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.
3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.
4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!
5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that is the beginning of the end of any nation.
By: Ed Will

Cheers
Oracle

 

[Dan_p]

An economics professor at a local college made a statement that he had never failed a single student before, but had recently failed an entire class. That class had insisted that Obama's socialism worked and that no one would be poor and no one would be rich, a great equalizer.
The professor then said, "OK, we will have an experiment in this class on Obama's plan". All grades will be averaged and everyone will receive the same grade so no one will fail and no one will receive an A.... (substituting grades for dollars - something closer to home and more readily understood by all).
After the first test, the grades were averaged and everyone got a B. The students who studied hard were upset and the students who studied little were happy. As the second test rolled around, the students who studied little had studied even less and the ones who studied hard decided they wanted a free ride too so they studied little..
The second test average was a D! No one was happy. When the 3rd test rolled around, the average was an F. As the tests proceeded, the scores never increased as bickering, blame and name-calling all resulted in hard feelings and no one would study for the benefit of anyone else. To their great surprise, ALL FAILED and the professor told them that socialism would also ultimately fail because when the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great, but when government takes all the reward away, no one will try or want to succeed. It could not be any simpler than that.
Remember, there IS a test coming up. The 2012 elections.

These are possibly the 5 best sentences you'll ever read and all applicable to this experiment:
1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.
2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.
3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.
4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!
5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that is the beginning of the end of any nation.
By: Ed Will

Cheers
Oracle

We seem to be going down that path at a great rate of knots.

 

[DEC]

http://www.snopes.com/college/exam/socialism.asp

 

[Aaron Sice]

http://www.snopes.com/college/exam/socialism.asp

why do people do that?

i swear, the only people that quote snopes just cant appreciate a good yarn, or they pick the crap out of campfire stories, like "so, if the axe murderer was in the hotel, how did he end up in the back seat of the car if they were up the stairs in the hotel to begin with? did he just, HA!, teleport there?"

 

[dan c]

They do it because some people actually believe this type of stuff is true.

 

[Ideo]

Ok,

To rephrase.

Just a tired old email cliche that is doing the rounds, spread by those who see any form of taxation as communism. It is a tired cliche that is well past its used by date.

It has been done time and time again.

How many of you have used medicare? Have a HECS debt? Gone to TAFE? Had children educated in the public school system? Being educated in the public school system?

Congratualtions. You are the product of the thing you are told by the right wing shock jocks (more U.S. based in fairness) you should hate.

 

[wobbycarly]

I posted the same thing a few weeks ago - with the disclaimer that I received it via email and did not validate the accuracy of the story.

However, I do believe the moral of the story is relevant; we see that the government wants to share the profits (dare I say it, Mining Tax) while not stumping up capital and sharing the risks. (There's a neat way of saying this that I just can't think of at the moment ) So I do believe we can look on the story as a parable, without it having to have happened.

 

[Ideo]

I posted the same thing a few weeks ago - with the disclaimer that I received it via email and did not validate the accuracy of the story.

However, I do believe the moral of the story is relevant; we see that the government wants to share the profits (dare I say it, Mining Tax) while not stumping up capital and sharing the risks. (There's a neat way of saying this that I just can't think of at the moment ) So I do believe we can look on the story as a parable, without it having to have happened.

You do realise that a government is well, a government and not a business right?

I don't see any private corporations investing in infrastructure for the overall benefit of society.

 

[kathryn d]

I posted the same thing a few weeks ago - with the disclaimer that I received it via email and did not validate the accuracy of the story.

However, I do believe the moral of the story is relevant; we see that the government wants to share the profits (dare I say it, Mining Tax) while not stumping up capital and sharing the risks. (There's a neat way of saying this that I just can't think of at the moment ) So I do believe we can look on the story as a parable, without it having to have happened.

I agree.
The moral of the story is very relevent.

 

[Dazz]

I don't see any private corporations investing in infrastructure for the overall benefit of society.

You do realise that a private corporation is well, a private corporation and its primary objective is not to provide an overall benefit for society.

In any event, your statement is patently false and there are many examples....but we see only that which we wish to see.

Go do some research before writing off every private corporation.

 

[Ideo]

You do realise that a private corporation is well, a private corporation and its primary objective is not to provide an overall benefit for society.

In any event, your statement is patently false and there are many examples....but we see only that which we wish to see.

Go do some research before writing off every private corporation.

I am not saying that there is anything wrong with private corporations. They do what is best for their bottom line profits. Good for them. It's the right thing for them to do.

I don't see why the same model should be applied to services like schools or hospitals. Completely different type of situation.

So, get off the high horse. We are actually saying roughly the same thing, just from a different position.

 

[oracle]

I posted the same thing a few weeks ago - with the disclaimer that I received it via email and did not validate the accuracy of the story.

I must have missed that post, otherwise I wouldn't have posted it again. Yes, even I received this story via a forwarded email and cannot verify it's accuracy.

However, I do believe the moral of the story is relevant;

Absolutely, which was the reason for me posting it.

I am not saying that there is anything wrong with private corporations. They do what is best for their bottom line profits. Good for them. It's the right thing for them to do.

I don't see why the same model should be applied to services like schools or hospitals. Completely different type of situation.

So, get off the high horse. We are actually saying roughly the same thing, just from a different position.

I think your examples are not really relevant to the moral of the story. Hospitals, schools, infrastructures (roads etc.) are for the benefit of all (rich/poor, hard working/ lazy, normal/disadvantageous ppl etc. etc.) There is not partiality done.

It's when the fruits of hard working people are handed out to lazy people to make their lives comfortable is what is being discussed in the story. There is nothing wrong with helping people with disadvantage afterall we are humans and that is what separates us from animals.

Cheers,
Oracle.

 

[Ideo]

So, that dole payment of $257 is enough for a comfortable life?

Come off it.

I've heard some ridiculous generalisations, but that takes the cake.

 

[dan c]

It's when the fruits of hard working people are handed out to lazy people to make their lives comfortable is what is being discussed in the story.

As Dazz said, we see what we want to see.

 

[kathryn d]

So, that dole payment of $257 is enough for a comfortable life?

Come off it.

I've heard some ridiculous generalisations, but that takes the cake.

Who in their right mind wants living off the dole to be comfortable?
I want it to be an incentive to get off of it.

 

[FormerLurker]

So, that dole payment of $257 is enough for a comfortable life?

Come off it.

I've heard some ridiculous generalisations, but that takes the cake.

Probably not but is pay TV necessary in prisons?

 

[Ideo]

Who in their right mind wants living off the dole to be comfortable?
I want it to be an incentive to get off of it.

Exactly. It is not a comfortable amount.

It is not a huge payment and unable to used for anything above absolute bare minimum existence.

Hence, the "huge" payments are basically a myth.

 

[Dazz]

Who in their right mind wants living off the dole to be comfortable?

Anyone who has a mind that leans to the left wing of politics.


All of these non-property issues constantly brought up on this forum are a joke.


A left wing voters will never agree with a right wing voter on any of these issues. Never have, never will.

A right wing voters will never agree with a left wing voter on any of these issues. Never have, never will.

All of the petty examples brought up by both sides changes nothing. No-one has ever changed their view based on the pathetic "evidence" both sides care to regurgitate. It is constantly asked for, and then summarily torn to shreds...on both sides.

It is a debate that is divisive, never ending and pointless, and it will never be solved on-line because there is never a defining vote taken, where the minority is forced to abide by the majority's view....unlike in the real world. The minority ignore the view of the majority, falsely claim things like "most people would agree surely" and keep on *********.

Utterly pointless, the lot of it.

 

[kathryn d]

Dazz,
you are right. No one will ever change their minds.

Wouldn't it be fun, if they separated Australia into 2 divisions.
The right wings and left wings..and see who has the better society after 10 years?

 

[evand]

To make a tenuous and non true analogy between academic results and the finance of a country is just outright simplistic, verging on dumb.

And those who genuflect in front of it as gospel are also ummm not real bright.