Vendor disclosure re sewer (QLD)

Hi,

I am selling my house in Queensland. Currently it is under contract, not yet unconditional though still subject to pest&building. I have a question about what I have to disclose to the buyer regarding a sewer manhole.

I don't want to do anything wrong, but don't want to unnecessarily score an own goal either.

The situation:
1. A sewer line runs across my back yard, as it does for most of the houses in the street (it just runs down everybody's back yard). It just does the houses on my side of the street, so maybe 14 or so houses before it gets to mine. Quite a few houses on the street have manholes in their backyard because of this. My neighbour's is actually buried under the grass in the backyard.

2. There is manhole on my property, it is a few meters away from the house, which limits the ability to extend too much (can't build closer than 1 meter) and the house is small enough that people might want to extend.

3. In 2003 I landscaped and as part of this put a plant pot on top of the manhole, plus 2 inches of small rocks on top of the rest of the manhole. The edge few cm of the manhole are visible for about 1/3 of its diameter but its not that exactly obvious to see. I think the council frowns on burying or covering them (??) Before selling, I moved some of the stones to actually make it slightly more obvious it was there rather than less so, but like I said it doesn't scream "manhole".

4. The sewer and manhole are on the council dial before you dig diagrams and also the official council house sewer plans so would be revealed by a simple council search.

5. There's no easement or anything, and no encumbrances on the title.

6. The standard REIQ contract that has been signed has a standard section that states the property is free of all encumbrances other than those on the title, although its definition of encumbrances includes "unregistered" and "statutory" encumbrances.

7. The vendor hasn't indicated anything about wanting to extend or put in a pool or whatever that I believe would definitely oblige me or the agent to tell him about it (I would be in the wrong if I didn't I think?).


My questions are:

1. Is the manhole/sewer an "unregistered" or "statutory" encumbrance or neither?

2. Am I committing a form of "fraudulent concealment"?

3. Should I be ensuring the buyer is aware of its presence?

4. When buying a property is it "normal" for conveyancing solicitors to check sewerage plans, therefore should I expect the buyer to have discovered it?

5. Would this would be grounds to cancel the contract before settlement if he only discovered it later on?

6. What could happen after the contract is settled and the buyer only then discovers the manhole? Could I be sued or the contract somehow still cancelled?

More comments:

From what I've read, I don't have to tell the buyer about any defects (except for title defects). But I can't misrepresent things to him (eg. indicate there is no obstruction to extending into the backyard, or tell him there is no sewer etc), and I can't fraudulently conceal anything from him. So is my landscaping work fraudulent concealment or misrepresentation?

I'm not sure what to do - I am a very cautious person - I am tempted to play it safe and get my solicitor to inform the buyers solicitor? But it could sink the sale... at least I could sleep at night.
 
As far as I know, there is no duty of disclosure in Queensland, but if directly asked then you must tell the truth.

I would expect the sewer line to show up on council searches.

We recently sold my mother's house in Brisbane. There is a sewer manhole beside the side fence line, but from what mum said the sewer runs through the middle of the yard. The subject was never raised by the agent before selling.

If you are concerned, I would check with the solicitor who will be handling the sale.
Marg
 
Solicitor says its a bit of a gray issue... So thought I'd get some opinions on here... Ok if you bought off me would you pull out or sue me? Is the *right* thing to do to just disclose it? Or am I being too nice?
 
We once bought a house in one of the best streets in Coorparoo. We did extend the house but thought we would maybe put in a pool. We went back to the searches we were given with the house purchase and it seems a sewer line would have meant no pool was possible. We never asked any further because we wanted a bigger block anyway.

What I am saying is that, for us, it would not have stopped us from buying, but if it meant we could not have extended the house I suppose we would have been annoyed. Whether we could have sued the vendor is something that we would never do, so it never entered our heads.

I think it was up to us to do the usual searches. I am not sure what the answer is, and I would wonder about the solicitor saying it was a "grey area". Shouldn't a solicitor know these things, or find out for you?

When my mum sold real estate she said once an agent is told something that has a bearing on the sale, she is duty bound to pass that on to the prospective purchasers. Does your agent know the situation? What does he/she say?

Sorry I am not much help. I would be wondering too, and probably losing sleep as well.

P.S. In our case, instead of extending out into the back yard, if we had a sewer interfering with this plan, we would have raised the house and built under. Is that possible on this block?
 
You'd think a solicitor would be able to give me a solid answer but he hasn't so far. I think I'll push him a bit more on Monday.

I just called the council and they said it was fine (from their perspective) for me to put a pot plant and stones on top of the manhole, as long as they can still get easy access to it. I said "are you sure" and she put me on hold while she went and checked and came back and said yes its fine. So I haven't done anything wrong there.

I don't remember getting any search results when I bought this house about sewer - not sure if its included in the normal searches that people do...?

The agent definitely knows its there, he thinks I'm worrying about nothing and shouldn't tell the buyer, but said I should follow the solicitor's advice whatever it is. In qld I think I only need to mention it if the buyer either somehow indicates they want to extend (and I know they can't) or specifically asks if there's a sewer etc.

Except the standard REIQ contract mentions unregistered/statutory encumbrances, and that is where I'm unsure - is a sewer&manhole an unregistered encumbrance?? What I have is not an easement that's all I know.

ps. Yes the house could be raised instead of extended. It would be more expensive but at least you'd get more yard (its a small block).
 
Except the standard REIQ contract mentions unregistered/statutory encumbrances, and that is where I'm unsure - is a sewer&manhole an unregistered encumbrance??

If the council has told you what you can and can't do with it, it must be registered with them....it's up to the buyer to check these sort of things.:)
 
It's up to the buyer to do the searches IMO. With our last PPOR purchase we weren't told about the easement by RE agent and solicitor bought it to our attention. It didn't worry us anyway.
 
You might need to speak to a lawyer that specialises in contracts and property to get a definitive answer. There is a legal forum aussielegal, maybe you could pose the same question there?

Have you read these threads?

http://www.somersoft.com/forums/showthread.php?t=49784

There's a couple of links there that indicate even if a home extension was wanted in the future it is not necessarily impossible to achieve. Something about encasing the line in concrete?? Whatever, it doesn't seem to me that it is up to you to point out the limitations of your block. The line will be clearly marked on the plans which can be viewed at any time with a search by the buyer.

It's not quite the same thing, but my brother in law put a graden shed with a brick paved floor over his sewer inspection port!! He did end up pointing it out prior to his buyer at settlement, but in his case it was hardly something that could have killed the sale. It might have resulted in a rap over the knuckles from council if they needed to access the port though.:eek:
 
The person on the forum who'd be (IMO) most well versed on this would be ozperp. I'd reckon she could write novels.

That being said are you using a conveyancer or a real deal solicitor who actually has a clue.
 
I'm no plumber, but I would think if they wanted to extend they could just put in a new access manhole closer to the backyard main line. Buying a house is caveat emptor - buyer beware and these lines are marked on the title. I had the sewer line go right from the middle of the house on the front of the block down to the backyard mainline and all we did was shift it out to run down the side fence when we built the new townhouse in the backyard. The plumber put a brass 100mm viewing hole in the poured concrete back patio of the front house when I built that
 
there is no requirement to disclose a sewer as the vendor.

It comes as part of the purchasers searches regarding the property. Neither you or the agent are licensed to determine if that manhole is in fact a sewer (yes i know it probably has sewer written on it...). sounds stupid, but if you take the letter of the law - you are not licensed to identify or work on a council sewer...

Council are the only ones who can advise the locations of sewer pipes and the buyers searches should include that.

don't give more info than you are obliged to - it nearly always ends in heartache!!
 
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