wow, 11000 illegal immigrants in 6 days!!
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/04/16/europe/italy-migrants-christians-thrown-overboard/
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/04/16/europe/italy-migrants-christians-thrown-overboard/
We think we have refugee problems....
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This is a link to the EC rules on refugees http://ec.europa.eu/dgs/home-affairs/what-we-do/policies/asylum/index_en.htm
Europe is in no financial state to cope
Europe is in no financial state to cope
Refugee problem and solution
Maybe it is high time for the international community to be proactive when there is a chronic refugee problem from a source country. Declare that country ungovernable and take over to avert humanity crisis - nip the problem in the bud. Stop genocide, refugee epidemic and tin pot dictatorships perpetrating all manner of barbarity and injustice. Maybe this is more cost effective than cleaning up the messes everywhere.
Maybe it is high time for the international community to be proactive when there is a chronic refugee problem from a source country. Declare that country ungovernable and take over to avert humanity crisis - nip the problem in the bud. Stop genocide, refugee epidemic and tin pot dictatorships perpetrating all manner of barbarity and injustice. Maybe this is more cost effective than cleaning up the messes everywhere.
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It isn't illegal to seek asylum but you already know that
valid point. Though there are practical limits to what can be allowed to continue
Of course but let's not throw inflammatory comments like illegal immigrants around
if you can't see how it's inflammatory then you clearly have issues
please stop being ridiculous
This can be a very effective act of offense as this Indonesian Minister seems to have concluded:
"Indonesia could release 10,000 asylum seekers to Australia if Canberra continues to antagonise the republic over the execution of the Bali nine duo, an Indonesian minister has warned.
Coordinating Minister for Political, Legal and Security Affairs, Tedjo Edhy Purdijatno
This would create a "human tsunami", according to the Coordinating Minister for Political, Legal and Security Affairs, Tedjo Edhy Purdijatno."
Source: http://www.smh.com.au/world/bali-ni...sunami-of-asylum-seekers-20150310-140dhn.html
US and its coalition of the willing countries are already engaged in such activities, eg battling ISIL. Australia is one of the 'willing' country with pilots and trainers already sent. As always, trying to clean up the mess pervading the democratic world.
Italy and the European countries will continue to collect refugees rather than sorting out the source countries of those refugees and make the world safer and healthier.
If things continue as they are, then a limit must be reached eventually. There has to be a tipping point at sometime when Europe either gets involved at the source or starts shipping people back.
If it was to stop tomorrow then Europe could assimilate those already there but the flow is increasing, spring in Europe now, so it is likely that this summer could see up to half a million people flood into Europe ( 125 days at 4k a day)
There is no reason for it to stop anytime soon, if anything there will be more as the terrorists continue on their bloody way. Next year another 500k on top of this years group, where does it stop and what does Europe do about it.
Should terrorist attacks become common in Europe then the tourism stops and that would be a financial disaster for them
Perhaps 3-5 years and Europe could have a massive problem which effects the world then we all have a problem
Another 700 migrants dead yesterday
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/apr/19/italian-prime-minister-matteo-renzi-emergency-summit-700-drown-mediterranean
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/apr/19/italian-prime-minister-matteo-renzi-emergency-summit-700-drown-mediterranean
Dont know how you get this idea.. plenty of European countries helping to fight ISIS, not that they are the main cause of the flood of refugees attempting to get to Italy by boat, many are from Somalia and Eritrea. Ironically it was US led NATO intervention in Libya that has enabled the massive increase in human trafficking from that country.
have a look at how many Syrian refugees are in Jordan - and they are accepted with open arms.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...an-refugees-stranded-on-Jordanian-border.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...an-refugees-stranded-on-Jordanian-border.html
I did not say that US and its traditional allies are the only ones. I just did not get pedantic and start giving credits (including Jordan). You assumed I was lacking somehow.
As to refugee source countries - they fit the profile of chronic misgovernance:
"The coastguard said the migrants saved in the latest rescues claimed to be Syrians, Palestinians, Libyans, Tunisians and people from sub-Saharan Africa."
Many of these countries show either a break down of law and order, economic hopelessness or locked into a perpetual state of agitation for militancy. They create a perpetual demand for global charity and remediation, either directly or indirectly.
However, many are simply economic refugees:
"For years, Italy has been appealing to the EU to help with ships, aircraft or funding. It points out that most of those rescued intend to reach relatives or jobs in other European countries."
Source: http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...000-refugees-from-mediterranean-over-two-days
There is a case of re focusing and sorting out the problems at the source country than passively accepting the downstream problems. Italy and Europe can do better by facing up to the real extant of the refugee problems. (Not trying to inflame the topic - Europe can learn from Australia!)
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have a look at how many Syrian refugees are in Jordan - and they are accepted with open arms.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...an-refugees-stranded-on-Jordanian-border.html
From the article you linked to, Jordan is now regulating refugee intake until a second camp is constructed which will accommodate a further 130,000 refugees.
Many Syrian refugees are now heading to Lebanon which has an open door policy.
The persecution must be of an extreme nature for so many to flee their homeland.
have a look at how many Syrian refugees are in Jordan - and they are accepted with open arms.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...an-refugees-stranded-on-Jordanian-border.html
The camp location looks like a nice desert like plain in a remote area. "Open arms" at a distance? The camp provides symbiotic economic benefits to Jordan in sustaining and maintaining the camp?
" the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East (UNRWA) is a relief and human development agency, originally intended to provide jobs on public works projects and direct relief for 652,000 Palestinians who fled or were expelled from their homes during the fighting that followed the end of the British mandate over the region of Palestine.
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Today, UNRWA provides education, health care and social services to the 5 million registered Palestine refugees from the 1948 and 1967 wars and many of their descendants.[4] Aid is provided to Palestinian refugees living in Jordan, Lebanon and Syria, as well as those in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip."
I am not saying that Jordan is not contributing to solving the problem of refugees, just that its contribution should be understood in its full context. For example, in 2015 UNHCR has planned to assist 100% of the refugees and asylum seekers in Jordan. See the table in http://www.unhcr.org/pages/49e486566.html
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Thanks for pointing out that the refugee problem in Jordan is growing and your observation of extremity in circumstances goes to support my suggestion for re-focusing of remediation by impacted democracies - or accept the passive role of indirect charity through UNHCR, etc.
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