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I think the dole is necessary, as there are always people who are suddenly out of work for various reasons, and it's not always easy to walk straight into the next one.
For most people being unemployed for a month or more can be very hard on their life.
But the career unemployed are the issue, and I think they should be weeded out. Why should we work out guts out just to pay for these leeches on society?
I think a good idea is a system in place whereby everyone on the dole must show proof of looking for work, proof of attending interviews and staying at a job that they are given for a reasonable amount of time, say at least 1 year.
Of course, the ones who don't want to work will be very put-out by this, and that's bloody terrific in my book.
The ones who do want to work will be in employment in a short period of time; maybe not their chosen field or profession, but too bad. The world doesn't owe you a living.
And the other group that need to be whacked very hard are those people on "disability pensions". Yes, there are legitimate cases, but it's the rorters I'm talking about.
I've known of 4 people in my life who were rorters, and I gleefully dobbed them all in.
If they can't do their previous role due to some disability, then retrain them in something that requires no physical stress on their disability.
If they can't do their previous role due to some disability, then retrain them in something that requires no physical stress on their disability.
What might you suggest for those who have a psychological disability as a result of a psychological injury at work?
And then there are those who have both a psychological and physical injury...what kind of retraining might they be able to take advantage of?
Methinks this issue is far more complex than first meets the eye!
so what job should I have done as was on disability could not wear any shoes
am not allowed to even mow a yard and can not stand up for more then 3hours previosly employed in mines,meat industry and concreting?
by the way when was on the dole what you have mentioned about proof interviews etc you had to do this to get payments.
retrain them in what any suggestions?
Who says you are "not allowed" to mow a yard? The people who pay your pension?
Are you not able to say; "well; to hell with this, I want to mow a yard and earn my own money and I'm going to stop taking this pension".
I don't know that there ever was a "proof of interviews" criteria for the dole. I was suggesting there should be.
There are numerous jobs which require no physical effort, and can be done sitting down, and I'm sure many employers would take into consideration someone who can't wear shoes.
Front desk receptionists, taxi drivers and data entry staff to name just 3.
The problem, as I see it, is many people just don't want to do something other than the job they used to do.
This is being inflexible, and they think "life is unfair", and other bleats like that, but there are manypeople in the world who don't let a "disability" get in their way of success and progress.
We all know about the habitual dole bludgers who are refusing to look for work, or refuse to go to interviews, or go to them, get the job, turn up for a half a day then leave and tell the recruitment officer that the job "sucked", or the boss was an @rsehole, or whatever - these people will find a way to scam the system and not do any work.
Every night here on tv I see segments about ex-Iraq vets with no legs and/or arms, who are getting on with it, working, playing basketball, running marathons, raising families from wheelchairs and so on. They make me feel like a pathetic under-achiever with their courage and spirit.
It's really a simple case of attitude.
I'll ask you again - are you saying that everyone on unemployment benefits is a drug addict?
If you got off your precious middle class bum and actually went and met junkies you'd find that none of them (usually) are on the dole either. They don't have the time or the resources (such as a stable address), to be on the dole.
It's always funny to me how people with no idea always seem to know the most about any given topic.
Mark
But the career unemployed are the issue, and I think they should be weeded out. Why should we work out guts out just to pay for these leeches on society?
I think a good idea is a system in place whereby everyone on the dole must show proof of looking for work, proof of attending interviews and staying at a job that they are given for a reasonable amount of time, say at least 1 year.
In my experience people on long term unemployement benefits (as opposed to other benefits) are probably genuine in looking for work.I should add that I dont think anyone that is currently long term unemployed cant genuinely find a job - other than physical or empotional handicap
There are lots of people on long term Centre link benefits who genuinely deserve them - often through no fault of their own.
There is a segment who do not have the desire to work and know how to play the system. Staying on unemployment benefits is quite arduous and generally not worth the hassle for most. Much easier to go on a disability pension.
Lets run with "Junkie" stereotype as an example. Doesn't want to work. Would like to spend more of his/her money on drugs. Would like some free or cheap drugs. So what to do?
Step 1 - State you have back pain and are unable to work. No real way to prove you wrong unless a PI catches you doing activities you say you cant. No real work you can do if you say the pain is too much if you sit still / stand for more than 15 minutes at a time and cant concentrate on any meaningful tasks. Medical certificate excuses you from looking for work.
Step 2 - Symptoms become chronic. Transfer from unemployment to disability benefits. No need to keep looking for work as long as the Doc signs off on it.
Step 3 - While getting your certificate there is a good chance you can get some Valium, sleeping tablets, pain killers. These can be used / traded for the drug of your choice. As a bonus the medication is PBS funded - aka subsidised by Joe Tax payer.
Step 4 - Use all the benefits a pension card gives to reduce your cost base (rental assistance, reduced health care, reduced utilities, etc).
Clearly I'm not suggesting everyone on a disability pension is rorting the system. The system is very open to abuse for those who know how to play it.
In my experience people on long term unemployement benefits (as opposed to other benefits) are probably genuine in looking for work.
I disagree about how easy you are saying it is to get on a disability pension
for starters when I first got on it anyway you had to prove that you were unemployable a back pain does is not enough alone it took us 2yrs
If life on welfare is as easy as many on this forum believe, then why is it only 4.5% of people are unemployed. Why don't we all sell up and forget about the trials of investing in property and sit back and collect huge cheques every fortnight?