Is Private School Worth It?

Our little one is still a year or two away from school but we are considering what type of eduction to provide. The nearest private school to us charges around $12K a year from Kindy to 6 and then around $17K for senior years. Books, uniforms and extra activities could easily be a few more grand.

My wife and I both went through the public school system so my question to those that went, or have kids in private schools, do you really think it is worth it?
 
i would say that it depends on the quality of the public schools in your area.

where we live there is the choice of two very very good public primary schools with lots of out of area families trying to get their kids in - high quality teachers, excellent standards and expectations and great parent support - so we are more than happy with junior going to our choice of the two.

we did consider her sending her to the local grammar - but at $12k a year we thought the money would be better invested for her future.

however, if the local public primary was below par then i wouldn't hesitate to send her private.
 
There are longish threads on this, but I can never seem to find things when I search for them. Perhaps someone can find one for you.
 
my hubby is a brilliant early childhood teacher and he says it's worth it. He works in a private school and he said even if they paid less and longer hours, he would still rather work there than most public schools.

In Qld now they have changed the curriculum again and phonics won't be taught until year 1...so unless you tecah your child to read at home...well the school won't be teaching them for along time. Meanwhil 5y.o kids in prep will be bored out of their minds and probably end up playing up more.

Anyway, I want the best I can afford for my kids. I think $12k is too expensive though. Maybe try Catjolic schools which tends to be cheaper than Independent schools.

The school I'm sending all my kids is about $5k p.a and we get 25% staff discount so works out at $11,250 pa for 3kids or roughly $216 p/w which I think is money well spent. I am going to start up a $50k education fund soon and prepay my son's first 2 or 3 years just for peace of mind. It's roughly $160k for their whole education life which is the profit from building and selling 1 or 2 houses.
 
i went to a private school and lucky to do so!(thanks dad) but i am in two minds about this , i see the difference, in the private kids, and the public ones in the way they dress act and respect for others generally, the young boys in private schooling act like young men, articulated, respectfull etc, Not all i might add!
For me its like being in a private little club, we ll have that....private boys school link that will always be there, greate for work, and networking, as most run buisinesses etc..
But this all could be the result of their perants education passed on to them, generally speaking they were on higher salleries, ran their own businesses, and tought their kids the secrets of money, as we know the schools do not.

But i have met some great public school kids too!
Results of mum and dad or schooling is my issue! as you could tell by now they certainly don't teach you to spell annyways! LOL!:D
 
Private schools are usually worth the extra cost.

But, you can do extremely well at a lower cost public school too.
 
We have our daughter's name down at a few private schools for secondary level and shall decide as the time approaches which one would suit best.

At present she attends state primary school and it is excellent. There are some good state high/secondary schools although with many in Melbourne you ned to be living in that school's zone.

I went to a private school at secondary level and even as a teenager I noticed changes in myself/behaviour compared to the state school I was at.

If a child has a burning academic desire, nothing will stand in their way. The private schools generally have more facilities/amenity and are usually less crowded. Don't be fooled however that any old private school will do.....there are some shockers out there.

At a private school (aside from a usually better academic resource), you are paying for "fine tuning" as I like to call it. That was the term I coined when I saw changes in myself after one term at my private school compared to the state school I previously attended.

Children are also likely to have a far wider variety of experiences at a private school such as outdoor education; my old school had a school farm and we had arranged hikes, abseiling, orienteering, etc and that was 30 years ago. Now that same school has a campus in Nanjing, China.

By providing our children (to those who can afford it and/or choose the private path) such a wide range of experiences can only expand their awareness and hopefully lead to a more rounded educational experience.

I caveat again, however, it is not a given that academic excellence will be achieved at a private school if the child has not desire for such.
 
I think it depends on what you're seeking from your child's education. People talk about "quality", but there are many dimensions relating to a school's "quality":

* academic performance
* child's happiness at school - which itself is related to a huge number of other factors, such as level of bullying, teacher/student relationships, discipline code, level of work/homework/pressure to perform, etc
* networking benefits - "the old school tie" effect
* amount/quality of extra-curriculars offered - eg diversity of sports, languages, special programs, school's focus (eg renowned for the arts), etc
* degree to which the school focuses on each individual finding and bringing out their talents, whichever domain their talents lie in
* discipline policy
* staff/student ratios

I had all-public schooling, and am generally an advocate of public schooling.

Academic performance - isn't important for anybody except those who really struggle, and may benefit from the extra attention in a private school (if the private school does offer extra help; they may not necessarily be any better than the public school).

Child's happiness at school - was the major determinant in us choosing an independent (private) school for our sons' primary education. They go to a very unusual school which focuses on building self-esteem, personal qualities (values-based curriculum) and teaching kids to balance freedom and responsibility from a young age. They do the latter by giving the kids choices, such as whether to work or play first, and follow up with natural consequences - such as if you play too much, then you'll have to do homework. (They don't set any homework, as policy, but insist students take responsibility for completing a certain amount of work each day - or week as the students get older.) Looking at the amazing 12 and 13-year-olds that they send off to the local high school was enough to convince me that they were doing a lot of things right. I believe that if you focus on building those fundamental character traits in children, you're 90% there with regards to getting them through high school, university, and life.

Networking benefits - I find this the most ridiculous reason for sending kids to a private school. If you have to rely on who you know to get by in life, that's pretty sad, IMHO. If you're a good people person, then you can network and build your own contacts, which will be based on an assessment of you as a person, rather than which school you went to.

Extra curriculars - of course if you have a child whose only passion is to be an actor, then it may be worth sending them to a particular private school if it has an amazing drama program. This really has to be assessed dependent on each child's interests/talents, and what's on offer at local schools.

Focus on individual - my impression is that some of the "big name" private schools focus too much on academic performance and sports, and if your child's talents lie in another are, they may not be recognised as having worthwhile talents at some of the prestigious schools. Make sure that whatever your child is good at or values, is also valued at their school - private or public.

Discipline policy - should be appropriate for your child's temperament. You don't want a free spirit feeling oppressed in a very rigid environment, nor do you want a teen prone to "testing the boundaries" left to run riot.

Staff/student ratio - may or may not be important to you - and may be better at the public school! I can't imagine how it's possible for a teacher to give 30 or more kids enough attention for each child to feel valued and appreciated, but maybe they can. In any case, if it's important for you, then it's a consideration.
 
By providing our children (to those who can afford it and/or choose the private path) such a wide range of experiences can only expand their awareness and hopefully lead to a more rounded educational experience.
I generally agree with your sentiments (as usual ;)), Player, but you've reminded me of another salient point.

Notwithstanding the opportunities that may be greater in some private schools, a plus for public schools, IMHO, is that you are forced to learn to deal with people from all backgrounds. I think it's important kids are aware that not everybody has the same opportunities that they do. For many students of prestigious private schools, "poor" means "having to be on a scholarship", or "both parents having to work to pay school fees", but they often have no conception that even those scholarship kids are relatively privileged, compared to vast swathes of everyday Australians.
 
I generally agree with your sentiments (as usual ;)), Player, but you've reminded me of another salient point.

Notwithstanding the opportunities that may be greater in some private schools, a plus for public schools, IMHO, is that you are forced to learn to deal with people from all backgrounds. I think it's important kids are aware that not everybody has the same opportunities that they do. For many students of prestigious private schools, "poor" means "having to be on a scholarship", or "both parents having to work to pay school fees", but they often have no conception that even those scholarship kids are relatively privileged, compared to vast swathes of everyday Australians.

Interesting point. This is precisely the reason, we chose state primary schooling.........for the exposure to far more diverse set of backgrounds (ethnic, cultural, socioeconomic, etc) rather than the financial cost, albeit not insignificant either for seven years of primary schooling.

Without passing judgement, I am merely posing a general observation here, however at my private secondary school, the children who were at that school from day one (kinda and prep), GENERALLY were far less independant and had excessive expectations for consumer goods and brands/labels than those who arrived later in their school life. I liken the effect to having "blinkers on a horse" .....the effect that "everyone has the same financial means" whereas even in secondary level there were parents who did struggle financially to send their children to the secondary level for (rightly or wrongly) a "better go" and to achieve their full potential; or so these parents thought.

One of my school friends was renting a home with his family (and his parents weren't flu$h with ca$h), however he was cognisant that they chose this avenue to send him to a "better" school. He appreciated this and knuckled down whereas some of the more comfortable cohort achieved very little academically. I admit this is not the only value to judge a school by; merely observation.

As for networking; I never used it to my advantage. The old school tie and the rest of it may assist some; I made my luck and aside from the odd re-union out of curiosity to see what others are up to, I find that life changes have brought me to a point to seek different sources of networking and commonalities. This forum is a glowing example. I think with facebook, twitters, my space and probably a few others I am not even aware of...........kids are all-networked-out; they'll have no time for actually achieving something to have a reason to network for. OK, now I'm really sounding my age; I better stop here with the communication sites.

At the end of the day, whatever one chooses, kids learn by doing as we do, not necessarily as we say. We can all start the process of being inquisitive and having a desire to learn from home. Kids generally will copy parents who are readers and more often than not follow suit to read, rather those who watch TV all day; etc., etc. We should also walk our talk ;)
 
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I would like to add something here. Our boys went to the local state primary school but we chose an Anglican high school, mainly because of its great reputation, caring atmosphere and the fact that we were told, and do believe, that bullying is often better and more swiftly handled in a private school (though I admit it happens in every school).

This did prove to be the case when my oldest was bullied in grade eight. It was knocked on the head quickly.

My youngest has just started grade eight and one of his friends is at one of the "elite" Brisbane schools. He is getting two hours of homework per night, on top of the extra curricular sport and music that is pretty much expected in this school. His mother is very concerned for his mental health. He is talking of controlling his "black dog", which I find alarming for a boy of twelve.

My son has done possibly an hour's worth of homework per week. His grades are average. My oldest boy achieved a great score with very little work done at home because he did a lot of work on the bus trip home and during lunch time with like minded friends who preferred to do it then rather than at home. Very often work is given in class that must be finished at home if it is not finished in the class time.

My middle son is doing senior and putting in more work than the oldest, but he is motivated to achieve a good OP to get into the course he wants. It is self-driven, not school driven.

The interesting thing (for me) is that when the results are published for these schools, my sons' school ranks about the same level (perhaps higher) in the OP scores than this full on rah, rah school that his friend attends.

If having kids do two hours of work at night meant their OP scores were well ahead, I could see the motivation for the school to push this line. This boy, at twelve years old, is stressed to the eyeballs though and his mum is worried about his well being. She is considering changing schools, but his dad insists he continue at this school because it is the one he went to, upholding the family tradition etc. I have never understood that either.

This woman is not alone. At a grade eight meeting, she brought up the homework issue, other a big number parents present agreed with her concerns, but the school apparently said that with only one third of the grade eight parents present, it was not enough of an indication that most of them were worried and concerned :eek:.

Perhaps have a good talk to someone you know already in the school before committing. I know my boy would not cope with that level of homework and I am so glad he is at the private school he is at.
 
my hubby is a brilliant early childhood teacher and he says it's worth it. He works in a private school and he said even if they paid less and longer hours, he would still rather work there than most public schools.
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Has he worked in public schools. Because I work with 2 teachers that left the private system vowing never to return.

twobobsworth. I'm off to Bali today so can't provide lots of info but I do know the schools in your area. I will PM you next week when I get home.

William Clarke is great BTW.
 
I just moved the offspring from an area school where she had a teacher and teacher's aide teaching a class of 6 students of varying ages to a class where she is one of 27 with only one teacher.

She is absolutely thriving in the new school, she likes having all the extra students her own age to boss around. At the old school the ones 5 years older than her didn't always do what she wanted, at the new one they are all the same age so they'll pretty much always do what she tells them. Both schools are public schools, the old one is R-7 and the newer one is R-12 and has a uniform policy.

As to high school, don't really have an opinion on public or private but I'm really thinking boarding school is a good idea, and other people have suggested it too (they've also suggested putting her in after school daycare so I get a break - I work from home). Might help with her princess complex and make her do things for herself instead of just sitting on a pedestal looking helpless until someone else does things for her, and I don't have to argue with her about doing things for herself. Don't they teach simple stuff at school like water comes from taps? She thinks water comes from standing around saying she's thirsty until someone gets her a drink. Causes no end of arguments at home.
 
I have taught in mixed private schools, elite boys private schools and good and very bad public schools.

I personally would never send my boys to an elite private school. Many of the teacher were students there and then taught there straight out of uni. Also the boys really didn't interact well with girls. I was in very sporty elite schools and the boys definately didn't acheive as academically well as they could of. It was not cool to be the top of the class, but to be in the 1st XV was very cool. I liked teaching at those schools in that facilities were good and so was discipline. However there are still bad kids and kids trying to do as little work as possible. It is so much more about the parents then the school. Also in the private schools there tends to be more ecstacy, speed and cocaine. Where as state schools is more pot and booze. Also you do get a lot of parents at the elite schools who abdicate their responsibilty for their child's behaviour. I have had discussions with parents along the lines of I pay $10,000 f**king dollars a year for you to look after my kid, if he's playing up at school it's you're f**king problem not mine. There are kids there whose parents have really struggled to pay the fees or made a real effort to pay the fees for their kids benefit and then there are others who send their kids their so they can boast about it.

The coed private schools were much better. Girls calm the boys down and also boys will try and do well to impress girls. All boys schools could be compared to a boys weekend away, when someone is being an idiot ther is always a bigger idiot trying to out do them, with girls in the class the boys will only go so far before embarassment kicks in.
There are some brilliant public schools around.

My suggestion

If your local high school is not great Buy an investment property in the suburb of a great public school and use that address to get your kids in. At the end of their schooling/ uni whenever they can afford to take over responsibility for it/ give them the equity in the house, they will get just as good if not better education in the great public school and they'll have a house to boot. You will find that the great Public Schools have a very small catchment area (the area you have to live in to go unless you get in on a sporting, academic or arts excellence special entry). The parents who live in the immediate vicintiy will often (but not always) be of a high calibre and be very supportive of their kids and then their will be others who do crazy things like buy ip's in the ares to get tehir kids in. These schools will want to see a rates notice or tenancy agreement to let your kid in, yes it is that competitive. In inner Brisbane, Cavendish Road state high school and Brisbane State High School are two that are like this. Norman Park state school is also like this.

My 2c anyway
 
I have not read the thread or the responses but my short answer is no.
Kids in our family jigged from both private and public schools when they wanted too, and didn't get extra support from the private system...just extra things to buy and do.
It really comes down to the individual school and the teaching staff imo.

ETA: And ofcourse the kids outlook and attitude.
 
Has he worked in public schools. Because I work with 2 teachers that left the private system vowing never to return.

Yes he has worked at both. Even the staff are friendlier and they do ofer loads of support. But the main differenceis that ALL the parents are really passionate about learning and helping their kids. You can tell which kids have been taught well at home. Whereas in private schools, you can some parents that just don't do anything and expect the teacher to fix everything. There are bound to bedifficult kids in all classes private or public but seems there's more so in public....at the lower primary level anyway.

I just want to give my kids the best start than I can to my ability in life.
 
All kids should go to public schools.
It teaches you to deal with life.
Shows you all the different families,economic groups, etc

To me, going to private, is more a show of the "look at me" from the parents.

No offence intended to anyone here who sends their kids to private.
 
Private schools are a business. They rely on their pass rates to gain new business [students]. If you have learning difficulties, and cannot make the pass criteria then they don't want you, as it drags down their pass rates and therefore their ability to charge. It's not about education, it 's about dollars.
 
There is no "look at me" factor in the Co-Ed private school we chose. The "look at me" schools look down their collective noses at this school, even though the OP scores are similar or better at our school. I abhor the whole snobby elite thing and would never haven sent our boys to such a school. We also would never use the old school tie network so there are other reasons to choose private apart from any snob value, though it is alive and well:rolleyes:

It is the same regarding QUT being the poor cousin of UQ. I would say that most of the snobby elite school parents would not want their sons particularly to "slum" it at QUT:eek:
 
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