101 Residential 2 Story Homes

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jeffp3

So, im looking around for a builder for my block, and have heaps of great advice from members here.

I have just seen these 2 story homes from 101 Residential, that can be build for a similar price to a single story. They arnt traditional 2 stories, as in they have a timber floor between the 1st and second floor, and i also believe the second floor is timber framed.

However, the price is attractive. Has anyone any experience with these homes?
 
jeffp3 said:
They arnt traditional 2 stories, as in they have a timber floor between the 1st and second floor, and i also believe the second floor is timber framed.
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This is pretty much how we build 'em on the East Coast.

In WA you do a lot of double brick with a concrete floor between the 1st and 2nd level. It takes longer and its more expensive.

On the East Coast we do brick veneer and the timber as you've described. It's cheaper and how we get a 10-12 week build period in fine weather. ;)
 
Propertunity said:
This is pretty much how we build 'em on the East Coast.

In WA you do a lot of double brick with a concrete floor between the 1st and 2nd level. It takes longer and its more expensive.

On the East Coast we do brick veneer and the timber as you've described. It's cheaper and how we get a 10-12 week build period in fine weather. ;)
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Thanks for that, good to know its at least tried and tested over your way.

Curious as to how they would sell and rent for here in WA tho, being a tradition bricks and mortar town.

Would they sell for a similar price to the brick and mortar cousin, and how do they stand the tes of time if rented ongoing?
 
jeffp3 said:
Thanks for that, good to know its at least tried and tested over your way.
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According to one of your largest project home builders over there, they "invented project home building". :rolleyes: Maybe they did, maybe they didn't. Either way they've been doing it this way over in the East for decades.

jeffp3 said:
Curious as to how they would sell and rent for here in WA tho, being a tradition bricks and mortar town.Would they sell for a similar price to the brick and mortar cousin,
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Can't help you with that Q, sorry. You might have to direct that Q to the builder - if he knows or a few REAs that may know.

jeffp3 said:
and how do they stand the tes of time if rented ongoing?
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Not an issue here - can't see why it would be any different in WA. Cheers, :)
 
It's hard to say how people will receive their modular upper floors as they haven't been around long enough to give any real sales proof.

However, there's a lot of people that don't like loft homes in Perth because of the lack of insulation used in most of the ones built more than 10 years ago.

They are extremely hot in summer if not done properly.

The pricing of them overall looks fairly good for what you get, though one of our builders says they can beat their prices by over $10k.

My main concern with 101 came from an inspection of a home under construction. They didn't use any tie downs on the top floor module (job was in Burns Beach). Scary.

It's not surprising though because a lot of single storey specialist builders make mistakes when they first move into a 2 storey market. For me personally, i'd prefer to let them learn on other peoples homes for a few more years before I'd use them myself :)
 
One of my mates has just built with them, took them around 9 months, not sure what time frame they are giving you.

I guess you have to consider peoples perception of the second storey being timber framed v concrete slab and double brick, if you were to sell.

Chomp
 
jeffp3 said:
So, im looking around for a builder for my block, and have heaps of great advice from members here.

I have just seen these 2 story homes from 101 Residential, that can be build for a similar price to a single story. They arnt traditional 2 stories, as in they have a timber floor between the 1st and second floor, and i also believe the second floor is timber framed.

However, the price is attractive. Has anyone any experience with these homes?
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I like the idea. The early APGHomes 2 storey homes were built with second storey construction like that. As long as it's properly insulated then it's AOK in my opinion and now that we have compulsory 6 star ratings then it should be.
My concern would be how much extra on top of the price is it to be fully turn key for an IP. If they start around $210k then how much extra to finish off?
Most of their 'cheaper' designs may still have more of a footprint than you can have on your 728 sqm block
I looked into a similar mob called Norfolk Homes for the Westminster built but the sums didn't work for me.
If I was to choose one of their models then I would choose one which gave extra bedrooms and not one that just gave me an upstairs theatre. That would be one expensive Theatre.
 
Yea, heaps of food for thought here........

Its tough to know if its worth it, as there is very little sales data for these type of homes.

The extra living space would be useful, given my villas will be fairly small.

Their "promotion" at the moment is $220k with $19k of included extras. Add in another $30k to finish and i reckin around $250k. This is a "bigger" unit than would fit on my block.

So that around $70k more expensive than a Villa.

A proper TH would be another $50k on top of that, so it all comes down to how much the thing would sell for.......
 
jeffp3 said:
Yea, heaps of food for thought here........

Its tough to know if its worth it, as there is very little sales data for these type of homes.

The extra living space would be useful, given my villas will be fairly small.

Their "promotion" at the moment is $220k with $19k of included extras. Add in another $30k to finish and i reckin around $250k. This is a "bigger" unit than would fit on my block.

So that around $70k more expensive than a Villa.

A proper TH would be another $50k on top of that, so it all comes down to how much the thing would sell for.......
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Really depends on what pricing they come up for you for your solution and if the $30k is realistic for finishing it.
What is the $19k included extras?
Are you going to get them to quote?
 
I have seen a few going up around the place at the moment. usually duplex sites with their double storey being built at the rear. Will be interesting to see how much they sell for if they go up for sale.

cheers
 
101residential

Hi all. Just thought we would add notes on 101. 10 months since signing the contract to actually just get a pad down, now looking like we'll over 24 weeks to complete to handover, blow out in costs have occurred that were not seen by their staff, many cases of delays through poor administration and poor organisation and unfortunately a number of cases of lies to avoid owning up to mistakes.

We have met and written to many people in the business including the owner Scott park who didn't have the decency to even answer.

Unfortunately we did checks on them before starting but there were not many reviews and it seems they may be a bit amatureish. Given our time again, we would not go with 101.

As a plus, the trades that have worked on our house have been excellent to date so here's hoping the level of build is at least good.
 
Wearebuilding said:
Hi all. Just thought we would add notes on 101. 10 months since signing the contract to actually just get a pad down, now looking like we'll over 24 weeks to complete to handover,
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and herein lies the problem with project builders. Just like I can't understand how they can get so much fat into a burger, I can't understand how these companies move their paperwork so slowly, it seems physically impossible yet it's fact.
 
Ausprop said:
and herein lies the problem with project builders. Just like I can't understand how they can get so much fat into a burger, I can't understand how these companies move their paperwork so slowly, it seems physically impossible yet it's fact.
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I'm sorry but that's a huge generalisation of project builders. I actually work for a project builder in Perth so I know first hand what goes on inside the company. Our company certainly doesn't move paperwork slowly. I agree that 10 months preconstruction is outrageous. Our company is 3-4 months. I just feel like the above post painted a bad picture of all project builders when that is not the case.

It's funny, I was dealing with someone who decided they'd go with 101 Residential instead of our company a while ago when 101 first came out. This is the problem - these companies come out with such low prices, running at a loss, to get business. And people get sucked in. And then the resources aren't there to deal with the amount of business they have. My advice to anyone building is to look at the big picture, such as the size of the company, the amount of trades available, how many homes is the company selling per month, what are their timeframes.. Because it's the holding costs that will hurt. Don't just look at the cosmetic items which is what everyone gets caught up in initially. You get what you pay for.
 
My two cents about brick veneer and timber - hate it! While I was living in Perth it was great when my 4 year old was running around upstairs and it didn't sound like stomping elephants. Plus being able to hang pictures and heavy mirrors etc on the walls pretty much anywhere instead of having to find the beam like you do in homes back east.
I'm now in Tassie and definitely missing the double brick/concrete floors in WA.
 
Steve Fitz said:
My main concern with 101 came from an inspection of a home under construction. They didn't use any tie downs on the top floor module (job was in Burns Beach). Scary.
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i know the one - it's about 250m up the road from me.

took my white card on site after hours and had a gander......needless to say i was NOT impressed.
 
Really BAD experience so far

I can honestly not recommend this builder to anyone. I almost lost my block of land because they did not complete the plans by the date agreed so I could get my unconditional bank approval (they had not even sent it off to have the site surveys done in 6 weeks). Then it was another 6 weeks to get to pre start and all their upgrades were astronomical in price - at least 200% on their suppliers retail price (just to upgrade things like tap ware and shower heads - so nothing extra for them to do!!). Then pre-start took 4 months because they took so long to come back on quotes on something and then when the quote was so high you needed to look for something cheaper which would take another few weeks.
I signed my contract in January - Pre-start in the middle of February and my slab went down at the end of June...AND THEN THEY LAID the slab wrong!! And 2 months later Im still trying to get it fixed. They missed all the recesses of the wet areas because they usually only recess shower and bath - but because I was having no hobs they had to recess all the wet areas - so this was not done. Then they missed an electrical conduit to my island bench and the plumbing floor waste in the ensuite toilet in the pre-lay of the slab...AND THEN they buried rubbish only site - YES I WAS THERE WHEN THE BOB CAT OPERATOR BURIED IT (THANK GOD I HAD PHOTOS). They tried to deny all wrong doing and I had to go to the city counsel and confirm the plans and structural engineer reports have recessed wet areas and that there was enough evidence (photos) showing that rubbish (steel re-enforcing mesh, concrete so large it was the size of a small shed, plastic and foam) has been buried on site. That still wasn't enough to get to actually fix anything so I had to send a letter of intent to complain to the building commission (that was 6 weeks ago) and although they have removed the rubbish - they have not fixed the slab recessing, electrical conduit or floor waste plumbing. I get fobbed off, they refuse to give timelines, and I had to pay an independent structural engineer to advise what should be done to rectify the issue. The construction staff (not contractors) are rude and dismissive. My house has had nothing done to it in 4 weeks - while other houses around mine have gone from slabs to houses with roofs on in that same time. These guys have turned my dream into a nightmare and it does not seem to be an isolated case. I have wasted so much of my time trying to get information out of them, having inspections on sites and they expect their clients to pick up during the day and go to their offices to discuss things when they are the ones who have done the wrong thing!!! SERIOUSLY... choose someone else.
 
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Steve Fitz said:
It's hard to say how people will receive their modular upper floors as they haven't been around long enough to give any real sales proof.

:)
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This is a very good point, call me conservative.... but personally I would not be taking a risk with this type of construction in Perth. I'll just back and watch:)

Also, very strange we have 2 posts from first time posters with adverse/negative comments on this company, that's not the norm???
 
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