All P.I.G.S. fed and ready to fly

I have come to respect greatly ex US Fed chairman, Paul Volcker, who cannot see the EU remaining in tact. You cannot have ~27 cultures, all with different social, economic, and political bents, pegged to the same currency. EU members have to become equally economically competitive, or be dropped.

a man of great vision and one to be taken very, VERY seriously.
 
You cannot have ~27 cultures, all with different social, economic, and political bents, pegged to the same currency. EU members have to become equally economically competitive, or be dropped.

That's the part I have trouble understanding.

If Greece has it's own currency, it would be absolutely hammered now, but as a result their exports I would assume increase. Whilst it comes with it's own problems, at least that would be a way out of the mess (to a degree), where as now with the fixed currency they have to endure years (decades?) of pain.
 
I have come to respect greatly ex US Fed chairman, Paul Volcker, who cannot see the EU remaining in tact. You cannot have ~27 cultures, all with different social, economic, and political bents, pegged to the same currency. EU members have to become equally economically competitive, or be dropped.

Could you not make the same argument about the USA? Some how the 50 states have been able to fudge along for quiet sometime now. The major difference being a (mostly) common language and that they have had longer stint being "united" instead of trying to kill each other.
 
That's the part I have trouble understanding.

If Greece has it's own currency, it would be absolutely hammered now, but as a result their exports I would assume increase. Whilst it comes with it's own problems, at least that would be a way out of the mess (to a degree), where as now with the fixed currency they have to endure years (decades?) of pain.

and they'd be forced to decrease imports, especially euro priced ones. A weak Dracma? wouldn't allow it.

More expensive imports, and the export advantage of a devalued currency, would act as incentive for them to increase production, for domestic consumption and exports. Indeed, many German manufacturers might even relocate to PIIGS to utilize the cheaper labor force, as the US has done with Mexico.....

Could you not make the same argument about the USA? Some how the 50 states have been able to fudge along for quiet sometime now. The major difference being a (mostly) common language and that they have had longer stint being "united" instead of trying to kill each other.

Not quite yet Jonril. The US, even with their black and hispanic sub cultures, are united in language, history, and culture compared to the EU.
 
That's the part I have trouble understanding.

If Greece has it's own currency, it would be absolutely hammered now, but as a result their exports I would assume increase. Whilst it comes with it's own problems, at least that would be a way out of the mess (to a degree), where as now with the fixed currency they have to endure years (decades?) of pain.

exactly, there'd be generated inflation to erode the debt. the Dracma would lose value against other currencies and exports from Greece would become more attractive and hep to prop up the economy.

but they can't do that because the Dracma doesn't exist for trade anymore.

i hope the Euro falls on it's ****.
 
i hope the Euro falls on it's ****.
isn't this good for their economies?

A lower Euro will make imported products more expensive but it will make the Eurozone products cheaper in other countries and the Eurozone tourism industry should benefit from this as well.

IMO they should let their currency slide a bit more to make their economies more competitive and at the same time they should concentrate on reducing debt.
 
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What i do constantly remind people is to recognise your method of making money.

THERE ARE DIFFERENT RULES that apply.

If you dont recognise your method, its much harder to take appropriate action.


For myself i invest, i dont speculate/trade.
This involves trying to estimate not just the current intrinsic value, but where that intrinsic value will move in the future.

Finally some examples of this:
the first as a trader:
http://www.cnbc.com/id/37209570
"(W)e are traders here, not investors, and traders listen to and watch the market, looking for signs of a changing environment," Gartman writes. "The environment has been changing; violence and volatility are everywhere. We want out. The sidelines look inviting

This from Gartman. Now Gartman does not have much of a retail following because his target market is mainly institutional investors. The Gartman letter is widely subsribed to by hedge funds and the top investment banks.



Now as an investor:
http://www.cnbc.com/id/37209789
Explaining the potential logic behind buffetts recent transactions.

Determination of being an investor/trader is so vital to the creation of appropriate riskopportunity settings.
 
In Gartman's letter he says:

"We want out...entirely," Gartman tells clients regarding the gold trade. "We wish we'd have been able to send (the letter) to everyone earlier this morning when exiting the trade was wiser, but we've a time table to stand by and we are few hours late in exiting...but exit we must...entirely...upon receipt of this commentary."

That was @ 10:15, shortly after POG started dropping till 2:00 while, we assume, his devotees exited. It then started climbimg again and closed abt $5 higher than when he made his call.

More importantly, What was the point of your post?
 
Just wondering why you posted something of interest to day-traders only unless it was to hit us over the head with your low opinion of trading and your admiration of Buffett who has never published his techniques anyway.
 
Just wondering why you posted something of interest to day-traders only unless it was to hit us over the head with your low opinion of trading and your admiration of Buffett who has never published his techniques anyway.

For god sake sunfish, READ my posts, rather than just make than putting words into my mouth.

I NEVER SAID I HAVE A LOW OPINON OF TRADING.

I do have a low opinion of people who dont recognise HOW THEY ACT.
Why because they dont know how to play the game.
Both investing and trading is a game, but the rules are different.
If someone doesnt recognise there is a high probability that they dont place correct risk/opportunity screens in place.

Hence they have a very high probability of achieving sub standard long term returns.
 
And I've never said that I don't love you either. :D

But I'd love you even more if you gave up on the trading/investing/Buffett bs.
 
Spain should lock the bulls away and prepare for the "running of the bears"

I think Spain and Portugal are safe for now.
Regulation is coming and the hedge funds will soon be looking elsewhere to make a quick buck. Maybe they are shorting the AU$ now?

http://dealbook.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/05/19/do-funds-share-the-blame-for-new-e-u-rules/

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8690770.stm

Germany have banned short selling already and hedge funds are adjusting their positions.
Perhaps markets will be less volatile from now on


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/b...ts-after-german-shortselling-ban-1977527.html
 
I think Spain and Portugal are safe for now.
Regulation is coming and the hedge funds will soon be looking elsewhere to make a quick buck. Maybe they are shorting the AU$ now?

i am sure they are, especially as they know that other hedge funds that were playing the AU-US$ carry trade into long exposure aussie big banks/resources are trying to unwind. Last year this was an extremely profitable trade, this year its turning out to be a double wammy and everyone is heading for the exit at the same time.

But good for us local people with a bit of patience.
 
This bit I don't understand:
Financial markets around the world shuddered yesterday after Germany's surprise decision to ban so-called "naked" short-selling of shares was followed by a warning that the euro was "in danger" by German Chancellor Angela Merkel.

Let's be clear "naked" shorting is selling shares you don't own and have not borrowed from a holder. This should not only be disallowed but criminal. Selling something that isn't yours is illegal in any other part of the law.
 
Interesting episode of lateline business last night 19/5/2010.
Source: Lateline Business, ABC
Video: http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/business/
Scroll to market volatility concerns business.
Transcript below:



Market volatility concerns investors



Australian Broadcasting Corporation

Broadcast: 19/05/2010

Reporter: Ali Moore

The vice-chairman of Blackstone Advisory Partners, Byron Wien, joins Lateline Business to discuss the state of the markets and the latest bout of volatility.
Transcript
ALI MOORE, PRESENTER: So what next for markets and how serious is this latest bout of volatility?

Byron Wien is part of the Blackstone Group which has $100 billion in funds under management. He's also a supervisory director of George Soros Quantum Funds.

He's currently visiting Australia and joined me earlier in Melbourne.

Byron Wien, welcome to Lateline Business.

BYRON WIEN, BLACKSTONE ADVISORY PARTNERS: Good to be here.

ALI MOORE: If we can start with right now and the gyrations on global equity markets, it seems to be a mixture of Europe's debt woes and regulatory concerns depending on what day it is.

The Dow's off 9 per cent in the past month, what's happening?

.........
 
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