Andrew Bolt ... Free speech goes down.

So, on post # 98, nothing has been resolved....yet again.


Right leaning conservatives haven't changed their mind and left leaning socialists haven't changed their mind. No surprises there.

Nothing to do with lefty or righty here Dazz, stupidity and intellectual laziness is just plain 'stupidity' regardless of leanings or values or belief or politics...you may have an 'opinion' that it is politically driven (by myself), but I would respectfully suggest you remove your bias goggles, step back and do what you do so well, inspect the real matter and facts at hand.

With Andrew Bolt being on the right wing of politics, it comes as no surprise that those whom view the world with the values system of the right, agree with the thrust of his views in general. Those who subscribe to the values system of the left, disagree with the thrust of his views in general.


Of course, those journalists being on the left wing of politics, and the issues they raise, the opposite is true for both wings.


...and so the wheel turns...

..and at post 101, I respectfully add that it's an insult (generally speaking), to the people (who call themselves right wingers), to hold or support the ridiculous assumptions of Andrew Bolt. To lump all of the relative conservatives into Andrew's stinking pen is generalising and stereotyping.

Y'all remember Andrew's coverage piece on Anders Breivek?

The aftermath of news like that from Oslo leaves only numbness. The injustice of it, the disbelief that this was even possible. Bombs at least kill in a single action. The deliberate persistence involved in attacks like Anders Breivik’s make them all the more distressing.

As reports began to come in, it was the last subject in the world you would have imagined being used for political point-scoring. But if ever someone was going to do just that, it was Andrew Bolt.

First thing last Saturday morning, with news still scant, he was on his blog suggesting that Muslim terrorists were behind the attack. Not an outrageous assumption, by any stretch, but ‘pretty sure’ shouldn’t be enough for such a prominent columnist to proceed without confirmation.

Contradictory news soon came in, and the page was hastily and almost comically corrected. “Already the unconfirmed reports suggest our immediate suspicions are correct (UPDATE: No, they aren’t)…”

Excerpts only:

“Even so,” Bolt went on, “the history of Islamic violence in Scandinavia suggests Muslim immigration there has been a bad deal for the locals.”

Hold up a minute. “Even so”? At what point does a misplaced assumption like that earn the right to an addendum?

In an action replay, it goes: “In latest news, here is some evidence that would definitely prove that I’m right. Oh, wait a minute, that evidence doesn’t exist. Even so, I am actually right, and let’s proceed with that assumption.”

And that was before we even got to the backup evidence. The “history of Islamic violence” that Bolt was able to provide for Norway consisted of three men being arrested (not yet charged or convicted) for possibly planning an attack on either a newspaper or an embassy, no-one is quite sure; and a charge against a man for threatening a politician.

So, two instances of alleged offences that haven’t even gone to court. Not the most weighty habeas corpus ever to land on a judge’s desk.

From:

Errors of the Gospel of St Bolt for his devoted followers...
 
Does anybody know the circumstances behind the Canadian government introducing their Free Speech legislation?

Were there any interesting details of it's creation?

Was there a 'trigger' issue?

(...I think I will go Google it...)
 
address problems that perpetuate intergenerational Aboriginal maladaptation.

Meanwhile the grinding growing welfare funded snowball of misery rolls ever onwards for rural Aboriginals, bowling them over grim reaper like, community after community...while city progressives are once again smug fine and dandy getting on with dissecting honing and repackaging their string of symbols.


Hi Stefan,


Talking of free speech going down (as per the original poster), we have had a break through over here in the West.


Our Police Commissioner has boldly stepped out and written a piece to finally address what is going on. He has so far been supported and lauded as being "brave"....for speaking out. So far...surprisingly, he has even been supported by the ALS director.


Constituting only 2% or so (the pedant's among us can nail that figure down to the last razoo), the Aboriginal youth representing 61% of the offenders are massively over-represented in the crime statistics.


Karl has finally said it - they are over represented in the statistics because they are over represented in actually doing the crime....not because the police who come along afterwards and mop up the damage are labelled racist. You wouldn't want their jobs for quids nowadays.


We see this personally out at our shopping centre. The vast majority of the yelling / abuse / carpark assaults / toilet vandalism / theft from the supermarket / anti-social behaviour is perpertrated by the local Aboriginals youth.


Police are regularly called for assistance / attendance, but the smart lipped kids know their rights back to front, and the officers are nigh-on hand tied....they simply are not allowed to do anything. Unfortunately the kids know this. The feedback loop of knowledge about what the magistrates let them get away with is lightning quick.


I'd love to see a few left leaning intellectual judges out there in my carpark trying to sort out the mess on a Friday night....they'd have to be carried off the tarmac within a few minutes bleeding profusely.


The Aboriginal parents are nowhere to be seen. Where are the Aboriginal parents ??


http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/opinion/post/-/blog/theburningissue/post/1881/comment/1
 
Stefan, my parents have been dead "long time" but both were involved in Aboriginal welfare way back BETWEEN the wars.

I am unable to make definitive statements but I know that nothing is as it is portrayed. They suffered worse than forced separation and while some of that was BAD, not all. Only the survivors of the "stolen generation" are able to complain, the dead who weren't "saved" will never be heard.

Mrs H was born in the west and family links and friendships have survived. She has an "uncle" who was left behind when the family went "walkabout". "It'll be OK Mrs, come back later!" Never did. That child had a decent upbringing. Was he "Stolen"?

BTW As late as the '60s state, churches and hospitals connived to "steal" babies from unwed mothers, often telling them their baby was still-born. Are they unworthy of consideration just because they were white?

My adopted sister was taken out the back of the hospital under the nurses apron. If you ask me, they did her a favor. Although she never took advantage of it.:(

Regards JO
 
Our Police Commissioner has boldly stepped out and written a piece to finally address what is going on. He has so far been supported and lauded as being "brave"....for speaking out. So far...surprisingly, he has even been supported by the ALS director.

It sucks that some think he is 'brave'. He should be able to call it how it is.

It is racist to believe Aboriginals are less capable of obeying community laws.
It is racist to believe they are less capable of self discipline and pulling themselves up by the bootstraps. There's enough Aboriginal high achievers, average Joe's, and enough who just plain stay out of trouble, to prove race is not a genetic disadvantage.

Most close to the coal face, realize there's a lot of truth in "The devil provides work for idle hands", something that applies irrespective of race.

And guilt and angst ridden progressive nannies who want to finance apathy and sloth, who want to stunt personal and community growth, need to be seen for the well intentioned but ignorant naives they are.
 
And guilt and angst ridden progressive nannies who want to finance apathy and sloth, who want to stunt personal and community growth, need to be seen for the well intentioned but ignorant naives they are.

Otherwise known as "Do-Gooders."

Regards JO
 
Hi Stefan,


Talking of free speech going down (as per the original poster), we have had a break through over here in the West.


Our Police Commissioner has boldly stepped out and written a piece to finally address what is going on. He has so far been supported and lauded as being "brave"....for speaking out. So far...surprisingly, he has even been supported by the ALS director.


Constituting only 2% or so (the pedant's among us can nail that figure down to the last razoo), the Aboriginal youth representing 61% of the offenders are massively over-represented in the crime statistics.


Karl has finally said it - they are over represented in the statistics because they are over represented in actually doing the crime....not because the police who come along afterwards and mop up the damage are labelled racist. You wouldn't want their jobs for quids nowadays.


We see this personally out at our shopping centre. The vast majority of the yelling / abuse / carpark assaults / toilet vandalism / theft from the supermarket / anti-social behaviour is perpertrated by the local Aboriginals youth.


Police are regularly called for assistance / attendance, but the smart lipped kids know their rights back to front, and the officers are nigh-on hand tied....they simply are not allowed to do anything. Unfortunately the kids know this. The feedback loop of knowledge about what the magistrates let them get away with is lightning quick.


I'd love to see a few left leaning intellectual judges out there in my carpark trying to sort out the mess on a Friday night....they'd have to be carried off the tarmac within a few minutes bleeding profusely.


The Aboriginal parents are nowhere to be seen. Where are the Aboriginal parents ??


http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/opinion/post/-/blog/theburningissue/post/1881/comment/1

Did you really find what Karl said so bround breaking & new and something no one has evere known about before ????I've heard it 10000 times before ??
Everyone whinges about it... statistics have always existed,, Karl didnt jsut work it out on Sunday night & quickly share his findings

You must be pretty blind to not already be a little aware of the overrepresentation of aborignals in jails/crime etc that you're acting like you're hearing it for the first time, or even "confirmed" for the first time.. ? Who the hell is that naive ? You ? Come on seriously? tell me you're not ?

Everyone knows the problem, everyone knows the solutions in place don't work cause the problems still exist - again, not exactly rocket science

The curx of thse issue is that no o ones wants to fix it, they just want to repeat - there's a problem and throw rhetoircal questions with racists insult attached as the reason for them not being frixed, knopwing that th insu7lts and rehotoric won't help but it makes you feel better doesn;'t it ! bloody oath !!!

Anyway Dazz, as you said, I won't change your right wing view, and you won't change mine which means this thread /debate is not helpful - so why did you enter the debate after telling us what's wrong with entering into it
 
The Aboriginal parents are nowhere to be seen. Where are the Aboriginal parents ??

In jail. Same as their parents before them. Aboriginal people are massively over-represented in our prisons and have been for generations... the same fate that will very likely meet these kids too and their kids and so on if we don't change something.

So, given that fact, what do you propose to actually do about it?

There are lots of glib statements around about how everyone should take responsibility for their actions but little in the way of actual solutions that provide these kids with any actual hope for the future. They have absolutely nothing to lose by their behaviour - other than their liberty perhaps but they are likely resigned to that and surrounded by plenty of role models in their peer group to emulate on that front. As Karl said, the police and legal system can only ever play around the edges of this - the problem is a social one and belongs to all of us.

To me, a few things are abundantly clear:
- The current system isn't working.
- Relying on parents who have grown up within this mindset and culture to solve the problem won't work.
- By the same token, taking kids from their families doesn't work either.
- The welfare state and "sit down money" has been proven to not work.
- By and large there is very little integration between the bulk of Aboriginal people and wider Australian society.
- Employment and education are the only way out of this loop. To me, the provision of both should be part and parcel of the welfare system. So if you want welfare, you need to attend training for two days a week and employment for three days a week or similar. If this can't be done because there is a lack of meaningful work or education in your remote community then welfare should be stopped for that location and assistance provided to move to a community where there is meaningful work.

By the way, there are 280 Regional and Remote Aboriginal Communities in Western Australia alone without:
- Designated township status
- Effective town planning - such things as land titles and the delineation of housing lots / parks / roads / offices etc etc
- A secure power supply run by the State
- A secure water and sewerage supply run by the State
- Effective municipal rubbish disposal facilities
- Effective police representation
- Effective health care and education services
- you get the idea... it's just a few shacks, some holes in the ground, rainwater tanks and a diesel generator kept going by a "whip the hat around" chuck-in system whereby only a few responsible people end up paying for everyone else's power supply.

Six of these communities (eg Bidyadanga, Kalumburu, Warmun etc) are now only just starting to get some of these basic services. This situation would not be tolerated in non aboriginal communities, nearly all of which are designated towns with at least basic services. To my knowledge and by comparison there are only 2 non aboriginal communities in WA in the same situation - Eucla and Windy Harbour. Coral Bay has just been made a township. But of course we're not racist... :rolleyes:

In my opinion, the left / right wing divide has done much to limit progress in this debate. Neither side has all the answers. We are going to have to experiment a little and throw some real resources at the problem in terms of basic infrastructure to make progress. And make some hard decisions about which communities can and should be made towns and serviced as such and which will be shut down due to a lack of sustainability and no more welfare provided so people have to move.

Personally, I'm prepared to sacrifice a bit of my own wealth to achieve a more balanced and equal society without these massive differences between social and community groups. I hope I'm not the only one...

(BTW it's good to see companies like FMG take a bit of a lead in these issues as well - it's an issue for all of us and corporate Australia needs to do their share as well)
 
By the way, there are 280 Regional and Remote Aboriginal Communities in Western Australia alone without:
- Designated township status
- Effective town planning - such things as land titles and the delineation of housing lots / parks / roads / offices etc etc
- A secure power supply run by the State
- A secure water and sewerage supply run by the State
- Effective municipal rubbish disposal facilities
- Effective police representation
- Effective health care and education services
- you get the idea... it's just a few shacks, some holes in the ground, rainwater tanks and a diesel generator kept going by a "whip the hat around" chuck-in system whereby only a few responsible people end up paying for everyone else's power supply.

Um there's no land titles etc because it's native title? And isn't that Native Title the same Native Title that usurped Crown Land in the Mabo case?
 
Um there's no land titles etc because it's native title? And isn't that Native Title the same Native Title that usurped Crown Land in the Mabo case?

Um are you sure or are you just guessing but saying it in a way that makes it sounds as if you know what you're talking about ?
 
Maybe do some reading jacyee and you'll understand what I'm talking about.

maybe, or maybe I will find out you are wrong... or I won't bother and keep thinking you are wrong. Or you could make what you say understandable and give yourself a chance to be undersood like evan d suggested.
 
Anyone read Malcolm Gladwell's book Outliers? Although I don't necessarily endorse anything in it, the interesting thing he brought to my attention was KIPP Academies, which started in the Bronx amongst the disadvantaged and have had amazing levels of success. The whole point of the school is to teach the kids that they need to be responsible for their results through hard work, but they get the results.
 
Anyone read Malcolm Gladwell's book Outliers? Although I don't necessarily endorse anything in it, the interesting thing he brought to my attention was KIPP Academies, which started in the Bronx amongst the disadvantaged and have had amazing levels of success. The whole point of the school is to teach the kids that they need to be responsible for their results through hard work, but they get the results.

You mean if what we're doing now isn't working.... then maybe we need to try something else ? Like, other than whinge and call people and r4aces names etc ?
 
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