Australia's 10 best paid jobs

[sanj]

You are missing my point, and; you are not paying attention.

Let me say this one more time.

I am saying they need to be paid more COMPARED to various other jobs where folk get to swan around, do little for it, work cushy hours, little stress, not much worth to the world....and so on.

And you are missing my point, which is that:

a) you are basing this on a lower and ultimately incorrect figure; and

b) that comparatively they are indeed paid more than a fair few jobs like you feel should happen (ie what you are campaigning for actually is occurring)

I have a lot of time for the people you are defending and i agree that for a long time they were underpaid. I just dont think it is the case anymore.

You often say that the average joe blow blah bllah gets paid $40-$60k and you have always refuted the figure quoted of the average Australian wage as being $68k or so, i think the claim you made is that it is unfairly influenced by high wage earners.

Well the figures i have provided show that in fact the people you are "fighting for" are paid pretty bloody well, even measured against the average aussie wage which you feel is artifically inflated.

YOu also have to take into account the almost bullet proof job security in these professions

 

[BayView]

And you are missing my point, which is that:

a) you are basing this on a lower and ultimately incorrect figure;

I can show you the latest pay slip if it helps.

It is not incorrect; it is fact....normal hourly rate.

 

[sanj]

I can show you the latest pay slip if it helps.

It is not incorrect; it is fact....normal hourly rate.

her payslip is almost entirely irrelevant.

what the industry average is, which is what im quoting, is far more relevant since we are talking the group as a whole and not one particular person.

the wage you are quoting that your wife gets is less than what nurses on 18 of the 22 levels in WA nursing get paid BEFORE any shift loading is taken into account. Once that is in fact included it is likely that nearly all nurses in WA are paid more than your wife so her payslip is, like i said, irrelevant.

table is here, pls add 14% to the figures http://www.nursing.health.wa.gov.au/docs/working/wages.pdf

 

[BayView]

Well the figures i have provided show that in fact the people you are "fighting for" are paid pretty bloody well, even measured against the average aussie wage which you feel is artifically inflated.

repeat: operative word is COMPARABLE

YOu also have to take into account the almost bullet proof job security in these professions

this just shows what you don't know.

 

[BayView]

her payslip is almost entirely irrelevant.

what the industry average is, which is what im quoting, is far more relevant since we are talking the group as a whole and not one particular person

Oh? Not relevant?

So, when all the pharmacists/radiologist etc decide on their career in medicine, their pay slip is an irrelevant factor in which field they choose, and/or conditions etc?

Ok, tell me what the industry average hourly rate for nurses is across Australia.

Now; get it right.

Make sure it is not the figure loaded up with double time for Xmas day, or time and half for Saturday and so on.....

I want the average that a nurse will earn for working a normal hourly rate shift..

Can't wait.

 

[sanj]

her payslip is almost entirely irrelevant.

what the industry average is, which is what im quoting, is far more relevant since we are talking the group as a whole and not one particular person

Oh? Not relevant?

So, when all the pharmacists/radiologist etc decide on their career in medicine, their pay slip is an irrelevant factor in which field they choose, and/or conditions etc?

Ok, tell me what the industry average hourly rate for nurses is across Australia.

Now; get it right.

Make sure it is not the figure loaded up with double time for Xmas day, or time and half for Saturday and so on.....

I want the average that a nurse will earn for working a normal hourly rate shift..

Can't wait.

i have already posted the figure you are asking for. the table is there, read it yourself. those are official figures that have just been increased by 14%.

i never said all payslips are irrelevant, i said your wife's is. we are not discussing her wage because i couldnt care less if she earnt $100k per year or $50k. it is what people in the professsion generally are earning. according to you figure she earns $34 an hour, which would put her in the bottom 4 out of 22 levels in WA so she cannot be used as a barometer for any discussion.

 

[BayView]

Where on earth do you think people on benefits are getting enough money to buy a plasma tv?

Plasmas are a lot cheaper nowadays, and the point was to illustrate how a lot of these welfare folk are terrific at making really fantastic financial decisions about how to spend their very minimal amount of green.

Substitute plasma for any other doodad....doodads and welfare should not be n the same sentence.

 

[BayView]

Your kidding right, next you will want to add/tax

8. Anyone with a mental illness.

they too cost the Australian tax payers a fortune.
MTR

Yeah, nice twist to get the sobs going.

Mental illness is mostly a condition not brought about by the actions of the person.

You are talking about the symptom, or disease - the end result of something. Yes, some mental illnesses are caused by their activities and lifestyle choices - tax those.

All the items I pointed out are activities and consumption items that are chosen by the person - they are the cause.

Tax the cause, so the person might not partake of that cause..

These items and activities result in an enormous cost to the Country.

 

[BayView]

her payslip is almost entirely irrelevant.

what the industry average is, which is what im quoting, is far more relevant since we are talking the group as a whole and not one particular person.

the wage you are quoting that your wife gets is less than what nurses on 18 of the 22 levels in WA nursing get paid BEFORE any shift loading is taken into account. Once that is in fact included it is likely that nearly all nurses in WA are paid more than your wife so her payslip is, like i said, irrelevant.

table is here, pls add 14% to the figures http://www.nursing.health.wa.gov.au/docs/working/wages.pdf

Clinical Nurse Specialist Managers start at SRN 3 level, based on this:

http://www.nursing.health.wa.gov.au/working/promotional.cfm

So, you have positions from Clinical Nurse Specialist Manager upwards which can earn near and over the $100k mark.

Do you know how many CNM's and above work in the average hospital of say; 200 nurses?

I'll give you a clue; not many.

All nurses should start at SRN level of pay, and go up.

The problem is; many of the nurses don't want to become an admin pencil pusher (almost all SRN levels), working on "positive outcomes" and "action plans" and all that BS.

They just want to help folk, care for sick people, save lives and so on.

First responders deserve a lot more than they get....they are the front line.

I can earn $30 per hour for simply being a counter leaner in a Proshop selling Mars bars and tees ( I do have experience and quals to get my wage up to that level admittedly)..

Yeah; that's useful, and I only had to do 3 years of mickey mouse on-the-job training to get it. Painless, easy, doddle work.

Look, we re going around in circles; none of you will ever see my side (unless you are in the health/emergency services system), and I am never going to change my point of view.

Over and out.

 

[DavidMc]

Sanj - do not forget WA and VIC have different rates of pay (and Weg - SA).

Bayview and myself are talking about the VIC situation, which basically is (or very quickly becoming) a 'if you don't have money I hope you don't mind if your nurse can't speak English (or even worse, is a 'meh - whatever' Gen-Y numpty)' type system.

It would be no surprise if the rates are more in WA, especially if you take a state average that would factor in the remote nurses and make it much higher.

 

[sanj]

Sanj - do not forget WA and VIC have different rates of pay.

Bayview and myself are talking about the VIC situation, which basically is (or very quickly becoming) a 'if you don't have money I hope you don't mind if your nurse can't speak English (or even worse, a 'meh - whatever' Gen-Y numpty)' type system.

It would be no surprise if the rates are more in WA, especially if you take a state average that would factor in the remote nurses and make it much higher.

I understand it may be less in vic but I doubt massively so. Also none of the figured I have quoted for any of the professions have included any loading for working in the regions. Pls read links provided, the facts are irrefutable as they are indeed facts and not biased opinion