Average Toorak homeowner owes more than $1 million

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,25217814-2862,00.html

THE average Toorak homeowner owes more than $1 million and makes mortgage repayments of $1515 a week.

Mortgage data provided by Australia's largest mortgage broker, Australian Finance Group, shows the average home loan in Toorak is $1,044,936 - more than four times the state average for established homes.

Brighton homeowners have the second largest mortgages at $619,414. Even after five successive interest rate cuts they have to repay an average of $898 a week.
 
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,25217814-2862,00.html

THE average Toorak homeowner owes more than $1 million and makes mortgage repayments of $1515 a week.

Mortgage data provided by Australia's largest mortgage broker, Australian Finance Group, shows the average home loan in Toorak is $1,044,936 - more than four times the state average for established homes.

The first paragraph contains an assertion that does not follow from the second paragraph.

A significant portion of homes are owned outright and have no loan.

The second paragraph gives some figures on average home loans; assumed to be only on homes that have a loan (as mortgage brokers would not know about unencumbered homes).

If half the homes had no loan and half had a loan, the 'average' for Toorak might be nearer $500k (although this assumes that properties with a loan and those without were similar value on average which might not be correct).

Secondly we don't know of the extent to which the debt was used to pay for the house or for house extensions and other consumer items along the way, so it might be misleading to attribute it all to housing in the area.

Thirdly an interesting comparison would be to look at average leverage and equity levels by comparing average mortages with average house prices (noting that the average loan applicant might not necessarily buy the average house in an area).

3030 (Point Cook & Werribee) has an average owing from mortgage holders of $269k. Yet average house prices are in the low 200s for Werribee and maybe $50k or so more for Point Cook.

3196 (Bonbeach etc) has an average owing from mortgage holders of $262k. Yet the average house price of the area is somewhere approaching $400k. However the area has a lot of rental units worth under $300k. I guess these were also counted, although most were IP loans rather than PPOR loans.

Hence 3030, having a lot of first homebuyers in the early stages of their mortgage with low equity and high average LVRs may be in a less sound position than 3196 residents who are older on average and more established with low LVRs (because on average they bought their houses earlier when they were cheaper). However incomes in 3196 aren't that high as there are lots of retired folk, but mostly these are unlikely to be the same people still with mortages.

Other high status postcodes with lowish looking mortgages relative to their prestige/house price include Williamstown ($299k, while inferior Altona is over double that), Moonee Ponds ($283k), Carlton ($224k - probably depressed by investors with student apartments), 3059 ($194k) and 3141/Armadale ($305k - maybe lots of units?).
 
Hi, could also be that the loans are x-coll for other purposes. I remember taking my home loans to the max to buy the commercial properties outright. And my sister used her house for LOC to buy shares.

Worked well because home loans are by far the cheapest loans & still tax effective because the purpose of the loan was declared for investment.

KY
 
3030 (Point Cook & Werribee) has an average owing from mortgage holders of $269k. Yet average house prices are in the low 200s for Werribee and maybe $50k or so more for Point Cook.

Sorry to nitpick, but I know this area well, it's where the majority of my properties are, and this is wrong.

You'd be looking closer to $350K for Point Cook and $250K for Werribee. realestateview quotes 390K as the PC median at http://www.realestateview.com.au/propertydata/vic/point+cook/index.html and $250K for Werribee http://www.realestateview.com.au/propertydata/vic/werribee/index.html.

So I might point out that the majority of mortgage holders are not in negative equity at all. The idea that most start from scratch is what I consider to be a flawed assumption. Many families in Point Cook for example started as apartment dwellers in more inner-city suburbs and moved out to start a family. It's not all mortgage belt country.
 
Sorry to nitpick, but I know this area well, it's where the majority of my properties are, and this is wrong.

You'd be looking closer to $350K for Point Cook and $250K for Werribee. realestateview quotes 390K as the PC median at http://www.realestateview.com.au/propertydata/vic/point+cook/index.html and $250K for Werribee http://www.realestateview.com.au/propertydata/vic/werribee/index.html.

You're right that I greatly underestimated Point Cook. Blame it on a conservative buyer's mindset where I refuse to overpay and entertain the risk of negative equity. Personally I think Point Cook is fully(over?) priced for an expensive pocket in the cheap western suburbs and better value can be found elsewhere. Eventually I think this will regress towards (but never hit) the mean for the area and the recent record of growth there doesn't look great. http://www.homepriceguide.com.au/sn...postcode=3030&st_locale=Point Cook&source=smh

'Ugly' Werribee is quite different. For years the Werribee average hovered between $220 - 230k (low 200s in my book) while other suburbs surged. Just lately it's now up to $240k, so maybe 'low 200s' isn't quite right anymore. There is now very little under $200k and the recent growth stats look OK - representing the previous good value of the area (and even now it's not unreasonable). http://www.homepriceguide.com.au/sn...ORpostcode=3030&st_locale=Werribee&source=apm But again jobs are key. The recent survey shows that Werribee is out of the most unemployment-prone band of suburbs (eg around Dandenong) but may be more affected than higher status areas like Point Cook.

During tough times bank valuers may be more conservative to safeguard whose paying, and I believe it's beneficial that we adopt a similar view to prevent becoming unstuck. Also it would be good to seperate established from new homes since the latter can distort averages.
 
Have you ever even seen the area? Typical of the kind of crap I hear from eastsiders who have rarely left their own backyard.
 
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That's a typical dumb herald sun story.
what does it matter how much you owe, if you can pay it back who cares. Many of those people may have 7 figure incomes. Would it matter if they owed a mill or 2?

Im in Brighton and I guess i would bring the average up. We owe NOTHING on our PPOR but over a mill on rentals. Our family income is over 200k and we can could survive for years with not working.
If you looked purely at our debt, many would go "oh my, you owe over a mill are you worried about all that debt?" The total oveall asset postion needs to be taken in account. Someone needs to tell the author about assets minus liabilities equals wealth, deductable debt v non-deductable debt, income levels etc
pieman
 
Many times. Most recently yesterday.

You were 140K off the median price of an area where you have been so carefully studying the real estate market? I'm not one eyed, but I know the place a lot better than you do, and I find it amusing that you sit here and dictate (incorrect) market principles to people who live in the area and are therefore more acquainted with the socio economic status.
 
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THE average Toorak homeowner owes more than $1 million and makes mortgage repayments of $1515 a week.

Big deal; we owe that much too. ;)

Difference is, our loan is over a number of assets and returns rent and business income.

No "postcode suburb" address required.

One boy says to the other; "My dad said we are so poor we owe $300k to the Bank"

The other boy says: "My Dad said we were so rich we owed $2 mill to the Bank".
 
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