Bali Nine

Should the Bali nine be granted clemency

  • Yes

    Votes: 24 34.3%

  • No

    Votes: 34 48.6%

  • Yes due to the AFP's involvement

    Votes: 5 7.1%

  • No, they were going to do it anyway

    Votes: 7 10.0%
  • Total voters
    70
  • Poll closed .
lilman said:
This is a post by a police officer regarding the hype around the Bali executions and it's something I think more Aussies need to read .................................................

I can?t believe the mentality of people. I have been in law enforcement for 34 years and have worked in many areas within the force. After 9 years in, I spent nearly 5 years working as a UC. (Undercover) attempting to infiltrate traffickers of all types of drugs including amphets right down to simple choof. What a world of pain and misery. I was encased by the filth and self-destruction where I witnessed numerous deaths by either ODs or in a lot of cases suicides. Young girls selling their bodies for 10 bucks a go just to get their hands on their next fix. I remember one particular girl who hung around with the collection I was trying to set up. She was 14 when she was hooked and on the game by 15. Her body was so ripped and torn by drug and sexual abuse she had intestines falling out of her rectum as a result of numerous rapes and sexual encounters where she tried to get payment. Her child was taken off her when she was 15 by Human services but they could do nothing for her but supply treatment when they could. She died at 19. Alone in a back street. Where were you do-gooders. I saw you pass her on the street and avoid her all the time. I would give her food but she preferred to starve and get some smack rather than eat. I became depressed with my job after this time and had to eventually get into some other area. I guarantee any police officer who reads this will be thinking of some person they have dealt with in their career that fits this build. But all I see is you love making by the fire wanna be Samaritans who treat these two drug kings as heroes. Ok I accept that you dont believe in the death penalty. I don?t like it either. But I am sure as **** not going to call on the PM to ?Bring our boys home? No boy of mine would do this. The media and the solicitors have played you people for the fools you are. You have never lived in the world of drug, crime and despair. You have been protected from it so much you live in the fantasy world where you believe you can hug everyone and all will be better. You are not qualified to even comment as to whether these guys should get parole or not. Have a look at our system. Or have you forgotten already. Adrian Bayley. You paroled him. You say the parole board stuffed up and parole him. But the parole board consists of people just like you. With your opinions and beliefs. That was a complete and utter failure. This piece of **** was a career rapist and the only ones we can blame for what he did is all of us. Not the judge. Not the Parole board or the police. Us. The decisions like this that are being made are by people who never have to deal with these shitheads when they are in street mode committing crimes. You see them all clean shaven and in their court suits or white shirts becoming born again etc. You poor misguided fools. You don?t even care about the effects of what they have done to our society. Our penalties used to be tough and crime was low. When I started in the police force 34 years ago we called it ?Marijuana? It was the biggest thing on the street. Crime was not rampant. Then the drug importing began and the addiction, the shift to powders etc and suspended sentences and here we are. Well your system has worked hasn?t it. Then you voice how much you hate police. But you ring us and run inside and hide whilst we come out and deal with the **** you don?t have the love making by the fire guts to deal with yourself. But you are right up there on your keyboards bravely **** canning the police for excessive force and filming it on your cameras. Here we are in Australia expecting the world to fall at our feet. ?Lets boycott Bali. Wow you heroes. That will fix them. Won?t mean ****. You think Australia props up Bali. There are more tourist from Europe than Australia there. And its mostly the bogans one and only overseas holiday destination. Henry Chinn. Know him? Bet not. Well he is on death row in China for trying to smuggle 270 grams of meth into our lovely country in 2004. Have you given a **** about him yet? No. Why? Cos the media hasn?t spoon fed you the crap to hype you up. Who are the two Aussies who were caught in China in last year trying to cart 75kg of ice to here? Davis and Gardiner. They are a couple. China has executed in excess of 1000 people in a 12 month period. But you still buy their **** every day. You hypocrites. These two Australians will be executed and you will still buy their product. Second chance you say. You think these people have no prior convictions. You think this is their first attempt. Wake up fools. Stop hugging yourselves. Two men died today because they broke a law in a country where they knew they faced death if caught. Had they have got away with it, there would be a countless number of 19 year old girls laying in the gutter dead. Quick run inside and tell yourself what a great person you are
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it's so tragic. If only the tree huggers could direct their attention to where it really matters
 
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HiEquity said:
Some of us are just against the death penalty wherever it may be found.

For reasons already stated - it's barbaric, appeals to the worst in us, hypocritical and doesn't work any better than incarceration as a deterrent.
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Yes I agree... I'm with you.. Lock them up and throw away the key... Give them life sentences .. Make them suffer, far better.
 
The question all Do-Gooders need to ask themselves is : If these 2 had not been caught would they have continued to traffic, profit and climb the Cartel ladder?
If you are honest with yourself the answer is YES!
If they had seriously cared for their families and to that themselves, why did they go down this path?
Answer: Because of the quick buck. Greed.
The end result: being shot dead and leaving their families devastated from their actions.

: Not the sharpest tools in the shed!
 
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Ausprop said:
the laws of Indonesia, where this heinous crime was committed, say otherwise



nonsense



couldn't care less about their lives (or deaths)
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That is your choice whether you have empathy or not. Still think no one deserves to be killed, be that in a war or for a crime. There have to be other ways. And they did show remorse and rehabilitation.
 
MsAli said:
And they did show remorse and rehabilitation.
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They showed none of that.
Why didn't they dob in the other people in their cartel?

They fooled everyone, they first convinced the church leaders that they have discovered God and then got the church leaders to convince the politicians to take their side.

You'd think that the prime minister would have asked the AFP to give him a report on these 2 guys but Noooo.
Instead, he decided to do another blunder. :eek:
He should change his name to Tony Blunder.:D
 
BV said:
They showed none of that.

They fooled everyone, they first convinced the church leaders that they have discovered God and then got the church leaders to convince the politicians to take their side.
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How do you know that?
 
BV said:
oh yes good excuse, if they were serious about helping others they would have done it.
Instead they chose to take their secrets to their graves.
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Yes, 10 years is a bl00dy long time to keep a secret! I wouldn't be able to keep it for 10 minutes!
 
Harro said:
The question all Do-Gooders need to ask themselves is : If these 2 had not been caught would they have continued to traffic, profit and climb the Cartel ladder?
If you are honest with yourself the answer is YES!
If they had seriously cared for their families and to that themselves, why did they go down this path?
Answer: Because of the quick buck. Greed.
The end result: being shot dead and leaving their families devastated from their actions.

: Not the sharpest tools in the shed!
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BV said:
They showed none of that.
Why didn't they dob in the other people in their cartel?

They fooled everyone, they first convinced the church leaders that they have discovered God and then got the church leaders to convince the politicians to take their side.

You'd think that the prime minister would have asked the AFP to give him a report on these 2 guys but Noooo.
Instead, he decided to do another blunder. :eek:
He should change his name to Tony Blunder.:D
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BV said:
Because they didn't dob in the other people in their cartel.
If they were sorry, wouldn't they want to shut down their operation and save some kids lives?
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Seriously, instead of hanging around here slagging off 2 dead men as keyboard lounge warriors. Why don't you do us all a favour and write to some drug dealers in your area

'Stop being so greedy and trying to make a quick buck. Dob in your cartel, shut down your operation and save some kids lives. If you seriously cared about your family and yourself, why are you going down this path? If you keep going down this path, expect no mercy, compassion or sympathy. Burn in hell, drug trafficker!'

remember to leave your name, address and telephone number
It's a braver thing to do than slagging off 2 dead men and directs your energy and efforts at the right group of people :D
 
Beanie Girl, I get the impression from your post that you know all the drug dealers in your area. No surprise you are so protective of them.
 
Who are the two Aussies who were caught in China in last year trying to cart 75kg of ice to here? Davis and Gardiner. They are a couple. China has executed in excess of 1000 people in a 12 month period. But you still buy their **** every day. You hypocrites. These two Australians will be executed and you will still buy their product.


Given Davis has been released and is back in Australia it is pretty unlikely she will be executed.
 
Starofdavid said:
Yes I agree... I'm with you.. Lock them up and throw away the key... Give them life sentences .. Make them suffer, far better.
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Obviously, being locked up for life is not making them suffer...they were requesting it.

It always amazes me , when people think living their lives in prison is worse than the death penalty.
If they wanted the death penalty, they wouldn't appeal.

The others (not specifically Bali 9) don't give a second thought about their victims, while in prison. They only think about themselves.
 
Ausprop said:
the laws of Indonesia, where this heinous crime was committed, say otherwise
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Heinous crime ?? phfft .. the only heinous crime was committed by Indonesia.

Anyone else find it odd how society has been conditioned to accept some drugs as "heinous and terrible" and others as socially acceptable ?? Even when the stats say otherwise ? One of the guys executed was for Marihuana !! FFS something seriously wrong with Indonesia. Stay away folks, dont risk yourself or your family,
 
wategos said:
Heinous crime ?? phfft .. the only heinous crime was committed by Indonesia.

Anyone else find it odd how society has been conditioned to accept some drugs as "heinous and terrible" and others as socially acceptable ?? Even when the stats say otherwise ? One of the guys executed was for Marihuana !! FFS something seriously wrong with Indonesia. Stay away folks, dont risk yourself or your family,
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Yup, drug smugglers should definitely stay away
 
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