Domain names and web site hosting

Yeah, we pay $21 a month at the moment with no complaints, the site sits on around 10G traffic a month and a few thousand visitors a day (25,000 hits a day on average) and we're nowhere near the limit of databases. I guess there's a lot of give there before we need something better.

The OLD host ... well, that one sucked. It was $6.95 or something a month, and it was broken so often that I hit my personal annoyance factor.
 
by the way that's something i always meant to find out, but always forget - does google look at .com.au or hosting's IP location when it pushes local sites up for local viewer?
 
Strannik said:
by the way that's something i always meant to find out, but always forget - does google look at .com.au or hosting's IP location when it pushes local sites up for local viewer?
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No, hosting locations are irrelevant to search engines, google's webmaster helpscreens (link broken on purpose, yoursite.com is a hosting company, oops, and you have to be logged in to your google dashboard)

https: //www.google.com /webmasters/tools/
pageanalysis?siteUrl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.
yoursite.com .com%2F&hl=en

make no reference to server location, or domain, the site is indexed on the relevance of its internal text, to the keywords in meta tags, by the number of external links to the site, its relevance to other webmasters. large numbers of Aus only sites have .com domains
The fastest way to get higher up google searches is to keep the First page of your site relevant, not a flash welcome banner that has to be 'click to enter'ed and to do a link exchange with other sites. If you want regional information put it in your home page
Code: 
</head><body>
This paragraph is for search
engine readable text, doesnt need to be 50k 
to get across
This paragraph is  for 
screen only items, menu, navigation, clock
This paragraph is for print text, 
people that print your page, dont need nav, 
your info at the top of the page
the code above as a php,ssi,asp include puts search engine friendly text at the top of every page on the site only writing it once
 
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AlmostBob said:
No, hosting locations are irrelevant to search engines, google's webmaster helpscreens (link broken on purpose, yoursite.com is a hosting company, oops, and you have to be logged in to your google dashboard)

https: //www.google.com /webmasters/tools/
pageanalysis?siteUrl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.
yoursite.com .com%2F&hl=en

make no reference to server location, or domain, the site is indexed on the relevance of its internal text, to the keywords in meta tags, by the number of external links to the site, its relevance to other webmasters. large numbers of Aus only sites have .com domains
The fastest way to get higher up google searches is to keep the First page of your site relevant, not a flash welcome banner that has to be 'click to enter'ed and to do a link exchange with other sites. If you want regional information put it in your home page
Code: 
</head><body>
This paragraph is for search
engine readable text, doesnt need to be 50k 
to get across
This paragraph is  for 
screen only items, menu, navigation, clock
This paragraph is for print text, 
people that print your page, dont need nav, 
your info at the top of the page
the code above as a php,ssi,asp include puts search engine friendly text at the top of every page on the site only writing it once
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Hrm, very interesting.. where did you find that code?
 
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BrendanG said:
Hrm, very interesting.. where did you find that code?
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I wrote it,
to put my text menus etc on every page **edit** print preview a www.dockreyapartments.com page

& the current toy is a simple mobile redirect.
Mobile/PDA users dont ususally look for more than an address
m subdomain is set up without images unless the user requests to download them, pay per bit plans for PDAs
PHP: 
<?php
if(preg_match('/Windows CE/i',$_SERVER['HTTP_USER_AGENT'])) { header("location: http://m.dockreyapartments.com/"); }
if(preg_match('/Blackberry/i',$_SERVER['HTTP_USER_AGENT'])) { header("location: http://m.dockreyapartments.com/"); }
if(preg_match('/Palm/i',$_SERVER['HTTP_USER_AGENT'])) { header("location: http://m.dockreyapartments.com/"); }
if(preg_match('/SymbianOS/i',$_SERVER['HTTP_USER_AGENT'])) { header("location: http://m.dockreyapartments.com/"); }
if(preg_match('/Opera Mini/i',$_SERVER['HTTP_USER_AGENT'])) { header("location: http://m.dockreyapartments.com/"); }
if(preg_match('/Nokia/i',$_SERVER['HTTP_USER_AGENT'])) { header("location: http://m.dockreyapartments.com/"); }
if(preg_match('/Samsung/i',$_SERVER['HTTP_USER_AGENT'])) { header("location: http://m.dockreyapartments.com/"); }
// redirect to pda page else continue
ob_start("ob_gzhandler");
?>
www.page
<?php ob_flush(); ?>
 
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AlmostBob said:
No, hosting locations are irrelevant to search engines
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Bob, I repectfully submit that you are wrong on this one.

There have been tons of search engine optimisation experiments done on server location and every single one has resulted in ranking changes based on IP location.

Just google "server location" seo to see any number of discussions on webmaster and seo forums about it.

Plus, google themselves says they do.

And here's an experiment with stats.


AlmostBob said:
The fastest way to get higher up google searches is to keep the First page of your site relevant, not a flash welcome banner that has to be 'click to enter'ed and to do a link exchange with other sites. If you want regional information put it in your home page
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You're defintely right about the Flash. But to rank for a competitive keyword, you need a relevant page, and incoming links. (One way from other relevant pages is better than reciprocal linking.)

Anyone who is interested in learning about this stuff might want to check out seobook.com or seomoz.com
 
I may be wrong, easily, most of our customers at least are on the same continent as our host even if not the same country,
I must be doing something almostRight :),
we get numbers of google, live, and ask hits, our site does well for a very small business
we get a lot of visitors and return visitors hitting multiple pages
 
I guess the thing is that there are so many different factors that affect it. For example, a US site on US hosting could rank well in Australia if it had a high enough number of links coming from Australian sites.

Bob, what stats package are you using? I have found that AWStats is really bad at detecting geographical location of visitors, but Google analytics is reasonably good.
 
MultoGrande said:
Bob, what stats package are you using? I have found that AWStats is really bad at detecting geographical location of visitors, but Google analytics is reasonably good.
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awstats only reads the server logs, its as good as the information retained by your web hosting company -mostly not, your web host really ony wants volumes, so they can ding you when you go over transfer limits.
google analytics(GA) is classed as malware, with apologies to Google, I didnt decide that.
GA loads scripts on the users pc, installs without permission, transmits data without permission, slows page loads
=> malware
GA is blocked by Spybot and by MS-Mvp hosts files, results from GA are skewed as a large proportion do not get reported, to country code they stats that you get are accurate
Spybot Hosts File said:
# [Google Inc]
127.0.0.1 pagead.googlesyndication.com
127.0.0.1 pagead2.googlesyndication.com #[Google AdWords]
127.0.0.1 adservices.google.com
127.0.0.1 video-stats.video.google.com
127.0.0.1 ssl.google-analytics.com #[urchinTracker]
127.0.0.1 www.google-analytics.com #[Google Analytics]
127.0.0.1 4.afs.googleadservices.com
127.0.0.1 imageads.googleadservices.com #[Ewido.TrackingCookie.Googleadservices]
127.0.0.1 partner.googleadservices.com
127.0.0.1 www.googleadservices.com
127.0.0.1 apps5.oingo.com #[Microsoft.Typo-Patrol]
127.0.0.1 www.appliedsemantics.com
127.0.0.1 service.urchin.com #[Urchin Tracking Module]
#
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127.0.0.1 is the default loopback address, the bit Bucket, nowhere

Using bbclone, is php runs serverside so does not get blocked lets me decide what stats to keep, quite efficent on db use.
gets IP information from http_request, and is accurate for country codes
geolocations, by a freeware script geoip, local server database, to known physical addresses seem to be about 15km off, example. the flags in the oceans mark Mawson Base and Ice Station Borneo, relatives everywhere, well actually -same relative at both ice bases
 
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AlmostBob said:
awstats only reads the server logs, its as good as the information retained by your web hosting company -mostly not.
google analytics(GA) is malware
GA loads scripts on the users pc, installs without permission, transmits data without permission, slows page loads
=> malware
GA is blocked by Spybot and by MS-Mvp hosts files
results from GA are skewed as a large proportion do not get reported
Using bbclone, is php runs serverside so does not get blocked lets me decide what stats to keep, quite efficent on db use.
gets IP information from http_request, and is accurate for country codes
geolocations, by a freeware script geoip, local server database, to known physical addresses seem to be about 15km off, example. the flags in the oceans mark Mawson Base and Ice Station Borneo, relatives everywhere, well actually -same relative at both ice bases
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HUH?

Just posting to say thanks for:

</head><body>
This paragraph is for search
engine readable text, doesnt need to be 50k
to get across
This paragraph is for
screen only items, menu, navigation, clock
This paragraph is for print text,
people that print your page, dont need nav,
your info at the top of the page
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Out of interest anyone?:

unlimitedspace.com gives you domain name $29/ 2 years.

Thnk I'm going with GoDaddy for hosting. $6.19 mth unlimited sites.

Regards Jody
 
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josko said:
HUH?


Regards Jody
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Sorry crossed up quotes :mad:
@media all { .showall { display:all } }

class=dontall|print|show will work for any html, so you can
use common scripting events as an easy way to customize page display, or let people slect what they want to print

<button onclick='document.getElementByID('somelement').class="dontshow";'>hide someelement</button>
<button onclick='document.getElementByID('somelement').class="showall";'>show someelement</button>

@media print { body {margin-top:1inch;margin-bottom:1inch;margin-left:1inch;margin-right:0.5inch}}
@media screen { body {margin:2px}}
the w3c suggests multiple uses for stylesheets with different settings for different media types
all the animations mouseovers formatting positioning click handlers are in a single 2Kb css file
 
With all due respect, AlmostBob, you are wrong on so many levels about SEO and Google in particular, that i can't even be bothered to discuss it.
 
Search engines terms of use exclude sites with faked meta data, and irelevant faked text, that may.
Search engine friendly text, the phrase used to describe this practice, means just that, text that is relevant to your site is acceptible, 600 of our pages are included in google's index out of 800.

the hidden text on each page says, in french and english for this bilingual country,
Dockrey apartments tenant portal, for renters and homeseekers in Nova Scotia, Canada.
Portail de locataire d'appartements de Dockrey, pour des locataires et des homeseekers en Nouvelle-Écosse, le Canada.
 
On just the domain sides of things, hostess.com.au for domain name registration is worthwhile checking out. They are from the same company as netregistry but cheaper as they have no phone correspondence, only via email, otherwise if you want to pay a little bit more use netregistry. Depends on your requirements and needs. Like one of the other posters stated, you get what you pay for.
 
Strannik said:
Wow, how did you manage to get those 200 excluded? :eek:
Hint: google indexes every page it has access to unless you tell it not to ;)
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I told it not to
robots.txt in the root folder
-begin-------------
User-agent: ia_archiver
Disallow: /
User-agent: psbot
Disallow: /
User-agent: yahoo-blogs/v3.9
Disallow: /
User-agent: *
Disallow: /cgi-bin/
Disallow: /any folder names you wish one per line ending with slash -block access to folders/
Disallow: /any file names you wish one per line ending with no slash -block access to individual files

Sitemap: http: //www.[yourdomainame].com/sitemap.xml
-end -------------------------

user agents named specifically block just that one, yahooblogs IA & PSbot hit the same page hundreds/thousands of times consecutively, pain in the [expletive deleted]
Or you could ask google how to block the google bot pretty sure they will tell you
 
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