He's gone too Ruddy far this time

[AlmostBob]

Never ceases to amaze, how many uni students are leftists
how many tenured lecturers are leftists
and how many graduates who go into the workplace and have real work, immediately cease to fbe leftists, reality kicks in

Vote 1 catch the ignorant and the young
Its time for a change

trip down the toilet is a change, FFs its not the kind thats as good as a holiday

 

[Sunfish]

Never ceases to amaze, how many uni students are leftists
how many tenured lecturers are leftists

Simple really. Add P servants and you have a group which desperately needs gov money to keep rolling in. A large part of this tax is needed to ensure their safe, comfortable work and retirement.

 

[aussierogue]

Winston Wolfe - You ares till refusing to answer the question

Who is doing it right?

If no one is doing it right then tis utopia you describe is unatainable. Humanity is about whats really going on. Real people, real problems, real emotions. NOT fundamentalist right wing economics.

You have declared your hand

- All lefties and gooses
- Buffet and Gates are morons
- Norway despite being the wealthiest country in the world is a joke

Lets see who you say is doing ir right so I can add to my list. It may sound like im being facsecious (spelling) but its a serious question. You cant answer it without making yourself look hypocritical.

 

[aussierogue]

Never ceases to amaze, how many uni students are leftists
how many tenured lecturers are leftists
and how many graduates who go into the workplace and have real work, immediately cease to fbe leftists, reality kicks in

Vote 1 catch the ignorant and the young
Its time for a change

trip down the toilet is a change, FFs its not the kind thats as good as a holiday

Last time I looked (the election) more than half Ausitralians voted labour and most of our states are labour governments. Thats a hell of alot of students and lecturers bob.

 

[aussierogue]

If Gandhi and Tolstoy left an impression, you'll realize it is more important for man to first turn within (to God) for answers and security, not a State run by some bloke who eats ear wax, visits strip clubs, and gives future tax revenue away to people to buy plasmas...

Some of the great capitalists in History those two...Both died after taking a vow of poverty btw! Another great example - just like Australia is like Greece and Nauru!

Keep em coming.

 

[Sunfish]

Keep em coming.

Pointless. You have a closed mind and an argumentative attitude.

 

[our obsession]

Aussierogue: and can be found again and again:

http://www.somersoft.com/forums/showthread.php?t=61787&page=10

 

[aussierogue]

I feel the personal attacks coming!

Playing the man comes after bullying and name calling - interesting.

 

[aussierogue]

Pointless. You have a closed mind and an argumentative attitude.

This is the group dynamic happening again i see - I was speaking to Winston. Thanks Wigman!

 

[Aaron Sice]

point is AR - you sound like you're defending Rudd in an environment where odds are a majority of us aren't Rudd supporters (labour or liberal voters).

if you like stirring the hornets nest then you're gonna get stung - simple - don't cry foul when it happens.

 

[The Fence]

just keep digging AR...you'll get there....trouble is, nobody will be there to listen to you...your posts are now outweighing the replies...

Now you've gone too Ruddy far....

 

[aussierogue]

just keep digging AR...you'll get there....trouble is, nobody will be there to listen to you...your posts are now outweighing the replies...

Now you've gone too Ruddy far....

I have silenced the right wingers through a good arguement. Now you have no where to go. thats why you have nothing to say. Thorpey hows that 400 percent looking?

 

[WinstonWolfe]

Some of the great capitalists in History those two...Both died after taking a vow of poverty btw! Another great example - just like Australia is like Greece and Nauru!

Keep em coming.

AR, can you define what capitalism is?

Gandhi's main political tenent was that everyone should aim for self sufficiency, built on self responsibility.

Socialism however, sinisterly reverses this, in its focus on human rights, which are nothing more than a nefarious and underhanded claim on the wealth of others.

In fact, Gandhi had been asked to help write the UN's Charter of Human Rights, but he refused saying, "in my experience, it is far more important to have a charter for human duties.". hahahaha....but that didn't sit well with the socialist driven UN.... FAIL!!!! MY BAD!!!!

Gandhi's focus on self responsibility makes him the greatest of Libertarians and capitalists. He believed man found the truest life meaning in questing diligently for union with God. And that quest meant God should be relied on for directing one how to achieve material security. There was to be no claim on other men, their labor, time, or wealth. To lay claim on the wealth of others for wellbeing, is to turn one from relying on God's direction.

Gandhi's views were libertarian in that he believed the only obligation one's rights impose on others is for others to leave you alone.....free to ACT to pursue survival and a meaningful life.

This is the total antithesis of socialism.

Gandhi's spiritually based life meaning was perfectly aligned with the views of Ayn Rand, who succinctly penned:

"I swear -- by my life and by my love of it -- that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine."

Indeed, Gandhi's spiritual basis for existence upholds that "every man is an end in himself, and that other men are not his pawns, nor is he theirs".

Contrast this with the socialist's grab for wealth generated by others......and.what is the limit of that grab? Look at Rudd. He has already spent future tax revenue, before people have toiled to produce it. Rudd's socialist beliefs make him feel totally comfortable about claiming evermore of others' wealth to distribute as he sees fit. What role did Australia have in future tax revenue being allocated to insulation, plasma tv's, overpriced school upgrades.

Socialists would do well to follow Gandhi's philosophy of self sufficiency - the self generation of enough wealth to ensure one's survival and a meaningful life.

Do you see where the difference is AR?

Gandhi's focus was on producing......Socialism's focus is not......which is why Rudd and co are selling off nationalized utilities for others to do the producing.

 

[aussierogue]

Winston

You guys are the ones calling our democratically elected goverments communists and socialists. I infact have never used that term. Using your defintition every govermenet in the world is socialst because they all tax.

I will do some research and see if ghandi ever called himeslef a capitalist!

Essentially I fully agree with Ghandi. I live that way but im not sure 97 percet of the population are up to it (for various legit reasons)

Although im not sure his politics is why he is endeared to millions. It is his non violent approach to being repressed as a peoples. It is his dignity that will forever be remembered.

I dont really care for name calling and lebelling to tell you the truth. My jibiing bout right wing fascists has been in direct reply to all people who disagree with Rudds tax being labelled pinko, sefish, commos!

Still no repy as to who is doing it 'right'? I thought as a smar fella I would know by now but sorry cant get it yet...

 

[topcropper]

Doesnt mean I dont think that Ozzies as a whole should not benefit from the worlds biggest ever mining boom.

There is so muich money that it would be madness not to spread it around a little. At the end of the day Australians own over 50 percent of the worlds dry commodities.

There is a responsibility there to make sure we all benefit not justy slick ex stockbrokers and the finacially savvy.

Aussie, according to Rudd, a big reason for this mining tax is to spread the wealth around.

I'd reckon the commodity boom has been the biggest wealth equaliser this country has ever seen. Go back to before it started in 2003. Sydney and Melbourne had already seen massive house price rises, and wages were much higher than in the rest of the country. The commodity boom has seen the gap close. The highest property prices are still on the south east coast, but the rest of the nation has caught up.

The commodity boom has allowed the residents of places like Cobar, Dalby, Toowoomba, Chinchilla, Gladstone, Townsville, all of the Northern Territory, all of Western Australia, South Australia and even Tasmania to catch up to Sydney and Melbourne.

I know that in my little town I've seen the population decline stop and turn around. We now have brand new houses on acreage owned by miners as residents and this means we now have 3 teachers at the primary school instead of 2. Average wages would still be way below Sydney, but I bet we caught up a lot. As did house prices.

All the places that benefitted the most were places that had missed out before.



The eureka report says this,.....

The other interesting aspect to the whole thing is the way that it’s not spread equally across the country. We’ve done a bit of modelling and Western Australia and Queensland are by far the losers.

This tax is essentially a $14 billion redistribution of tax income from Western Australia and Queensland to New South Wales and Victoria. It is the biggest redistribution of wealth from the far-flung states to the core states that has ever occurred.

The benefit is essentially collected from the mining companies and delivered to private companies and high wealth individuals on the east coast … it’s just extraordinary.

See ya's.

 

[aussierogue]

Aussie, according to Rudd, a big reason for this mining tax is to spread the wealth around.

I'd reckon the commodity boom has been the biggest wealth equaliser this country has ever seen. Go back to before it started in 2003. Sydney and Melbourne had already seen massive house price rises, and wages were much higher than in the rest of the country. The commodity boom has seen the gap close. The highest property prices are still on the south east coast, but the rest of the nation has caught up.

The commodity boom has allowed the residents of places like Cobar, Dalby, Toowoomba, Chinchilla, Gladstone, Townsville, all of the Northern Territory, all of Western Australia, South Australia and even Tasmania to catch up to Sydney and Melbourne.

I know that in my little town I've seen the population decline stop and turn around. We now have brand new houses on acreage owned by miners as residents and this means we now have 3 teachers at the primary school instead of 2. Average wages would still be way below Sydney, but I bet we caught up a lot. As did house prices.

All the places that benefitted the most were places that had missed out before.



The eureka report says this,.....




See ya's.

TC - I dont deny at all that the mining boom has brought QLD and the West upto the other states. Awesome.

Now they are level and hold what seems to be some huge cards cards going forward.

But this isnt just about state against state.

There has been lots of articles recently about how the West and QLD are due to power ahead of the reast of the nation. This mining boom is huge - not just on a lacl basis but internationally. Its not just making the West and the Queenslanders rich - it is push Austraia to the top of the heap. The point being - this is much bigger then just being a State within a country that has a small competative advantage in say IT or manufacturing. This is like the gold rush!

As stated earlier it will benefit all. Dont worry the stocks will come back, qld and West wont go backwards and IP's in mining towns will continue to go up in price. This is all sunject to China still going!

 

[WinstonWolfe]

Using your defintition every govermenet in the world is socialst because they all tax.

When a government promises to give people something for nothing, an assortment of the ideologically naive and laggards, who don't think about things deeply, nor are self employed, will say yes please.....real basic cargo cult mentality stuff hey....

which is why the young and uni students in particular have their socialist bent....they know next to nothing about the production of goods and services....most are still reliant on Mummy and Daddy....they have no financial responsibility, no mortgage. They are still very much in cargo cult mindset, and fantasize of a Utopia where someone else produces stuff and there's enough to be shared... In effect they want to jump from being dependent on Mummy dearest, to being dependent on the State....It is a form of social and emotional developmental retardedness to maintain this mindset...This is how the young often cope when transitioning into the world, away from Mummy. They resort to the psychological strategy of seeing the world is all kum bay ya, to help them cope with the journey into self sufficient independent confident and informed adults.

Unfortunately, many never make it, preferring to stay stuck half way, not exercising the courage to go the full mile and be the self sufficiency Gandhi advocated.....Instead, like a timid child clinging to its mother's skirt, they cling to belief in a Big Brother State which will forever be there to provide.

Rather than transition into full self realized self determinant adulthood, socialism encourages people to stay disenfranchised and dependent.

Yes there will always be those who can't make the journey out of sheer lack of ability, but the more of them there are, the more the world needs others to stand up and pick up the slack. Socialism however, encourages more to slack off.

I will do some research and see if ghandi ever called himeslef a capitalist!

First you better define capitalist.

Essentially I fully agree with Ghandi. I live that way but im not sure 97 percet of the population are up to it (for various legit reasons)

And socialism encourages more not to be 'up to it'........it lulls people into a false sense of security, and dependence on wealth they have no understanding of how was produced. It lulls them into not relying on self responsibility, but relying on government. When I was young, socialism had hypnotised people into thinking the govt would look after them in their old age, via the pension system. To many, they saw it as a fair return for the taxes they'd paid for a lifetime of work.

However, as socialists decided to give more money to special interest groups, the pension was eroded. Ayn Rand's views are reinforced here - don't outsource your basic needs to someone else, a long way away.
The socialist outsourcing of emergency services to Washington DC and Melbourne came home to hit the people of New Orleans and Victoria during their Hurricane and bushfires. In their hour of greatest need, govt failed them profoundly. The more centralized things become, the more impersonal and detached the decision makers become....

The reason the PIIGS are in trouble is because either socialist govts have sucked out more than is produced and/or the countries have a history of large inefficient civil/public service operations.

Although im not sure his politics is why he is endeared to millions. It is his non violent approach to being repressed as a peoples. It is his dignity that will forever be remembered.

Most are not sure of his politics because he is the doyen of left wing peace groups who reject and suppress his politics.

I dont really care for name calling and lebelling to tell you the truth. My jibiing bout right wing fascists has been in direct reply to all people who disagree with Rudds tax being labelled pinko, sefish, commos!

Still no repy as to who is doing it 'right'? I thought as a smar fella I would know by now but sorry cant get it yet...

We're on Planet Earth AR. Compromise between left and right in Western democracies exists because the left are always infiltrating the public service to influence public opinion their way......The State run media and education systems push a left wing perspective. Libertarians don't do this because they are focused on self employment. If I had my way, people wouldn't be allowed into government unless they'd run a small business successfully. Something along the lines of Lions or Rotary who believe your first duty is to yourself and family. After you have that sorted, then come and do social service with us.

Further, there will always be those in society who think the world is unfair and it owes them a living.

That is part of the weak side of human nature, which socialism unknowingly or otherwise, fosters. As I keep saying, the most benevolent thing socialists could do, is put their noses to the grindstone, and become more efficient producers of goods and services.....enough to go around for all. And forget about social engineering and usurping power away from the individual.

 

[aussierogue]

Winston

Ever heard the saying 'the weak will inherit the earth'.

We are weak - thats the human condition.

No one is in control. Infact this interpaly you describe between the left and right "is the best system". Period of conservatism followed by period of liberalism.

That is the REALITY!

Ying and yang. Like most things its cyclical - therefore having such dogmatic views about one right way is disinguous and lacks understanding.

 

[markpatric]

Rudd knows what is coming and he wants out.


Is mongo in the house?.

 

[willair]

Rudd knows what is coming and he wants out.


Is mongo in the house?.

The recent twists and turns by Kev from Qld and the growing political lawlessness are starting to show the person Australians voted for a revolving door "PM",I'm sickened by what is happening in this country after all within 2-3 years several high flow cheap labour new mines in S-America-Africa-S-E-Asia,will come on line and the facts are China will own those mines upfront,it will be an interesting time when Australian Miners try to play on those levels,unless we become politically subservient to Rudds buddies in China..willair..