Hey Winston

Mr. Fabulous

Mr. Fabulous

Y'all have mentioned a few times about how Osama is going to pull the troops outta Iraq. Check this my man:

http://www.boston.com/news/local/co...te_democrats_throws_support_behind_lieberman/

Dated July this year:

WASHINGTON - Contending that the U.S. is not pursuing a sound strategy for keeping Americans safe, Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama said Tuesday that fighting al-Qaida and the Taliban in Afghanistan would be his top priority after ending the war in Iraq.


“This is a war that we have to win,” Obama said in remarks prepared for delivery at the International Trade Center in Washington.

From here: http://www.dailynewscaster.com/2008/07/15/barack-obama-supports-the-war-on-terrorism/

It's going to be funny to see the looks of sheer disappointment on peoples faces when they wake up and realise that this guy is just the same as every other smooth talking snake oil salesman.

The dude supports the war, he supports big business and he supports his buddies on The Hill. In other words, he's no different to any other Republicrat from the last 50 years.

Mark
 
obama has just been breifed in top secret meetings, their are two sides to all these things, perhaps he did'nt realise , like our kevin rudder,
 
Hi Craig,

Didn't realise what? That he was supporting the war? Was he in some sort of trance when he repeatedly stated that he supported it and continues to support it? Maybe someone hypnotised him or something.

Mark
 
craigb said:
obama has just been breifed in top secret meetings, their are two sides to all these things, perhaps he did'nt realise , like our kevin rudder,
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By the way does anyone know where "JET-SET-BIG -KEV" is this week
is he in the country or out saving the world while the real problems in this country build up each day..
And the more i listen to Obama Rama,he stole all his lines from Bob the
Builder,can we fix it yes we can,what a joke..willair..
 
Hahaha, Obama rama, awesome. I've pretty much decided to turn my back completely on this country as far as politics and elections and such go. There's no point anymore, the major parties are a mirror image of each other and I don't like hippies, so the Greens are a no-go zone. Do the Democrats still even exist?

Time to just focus on getting what I want and just live my life under the radar.

Mark
 
for the hundredth time folks.....

why did Russia invade Afghanistan during the Cold War? why bother with a country with mud huts and sticks for a border fence when you're taking on an opponent like the 1980's USA? was it just to end the reign of Hafizullah Amin (the pres) because of his anti soviet sentiment and his hopeful PRC links? Was it to quash the Mujahideen? Was it part of a covert CIA anti communist propaganda regime implemented to draw the Soviets into their own little Vietnam?

no. not at all. if anyone believes these versions of events then i would advise you to lift the cap off your eyes.

opium.

the Soviets were running out of money. Fast. they needed cash to fund their military as part of the real threat from the escalating risk of war in the region from the Iran Revolution and the Imposed War of Saddam's regime - and to hold their face against the 1980s USA.

Afghanistan was invaded to take the country as part of the up and coming USSR - remove the militants in an attempt to control and monopolise the opium trade through SE Asia and China. Capital that doesnt have to be declared, so no government will know just how much money they have, regardless of thei intelligence (okay, i'm sure the Mossad would have a way...).

it was a capital raising venture - just like when the US invaded Vietnam. nothing more, nothing less.

so now Russia has been defeated thanks to the covert work of the CIA installing the Taliban under Osama bin Laden (and the Imposed War in Iraq installing Saddam Hussien) they could now destabilise the region, create holes for infiltration and realise the area for what it was worth - opium and oil.

and it still continues - from 1978 to 2008 - the region is still undergoing regime chage after regime change.
 
willair said:
By the way does anyone know where "JET-SET-BIG -KEV" is this week
is he in the country or out saving the world while the real problems in this country build up each day..
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Kevin747 flew out yesterday to attend the G20 conference in Washington - apparently they're going to solve the GFC. :rolleyes:

Krudd's website has also apparently removed references to Kevin07 - he is now to be known as ..... wait for it ..... [drum roll] ..... KevinPM!!! Has Australia never had another PM? What an arrogant egotist the guy is!!!

Cheers
LynnH
 
Hi BC,

I know all about that stuff. The reason most people don't know about why US invaded Afghanistan is to build a pipeline from Turkmenistan (or one of the 'stans) to the coast, so they didn't have to share or rely on the Russians for access to the reserves. In order for this to happen, they needed to go through Afghanistan. The US Govt was in talks with the Taliban about making it happen when 9/11 happened. How many people here know that the US Govt. donated 43 million dollars to the Taliban six months before 9/11 (http://waronyou.com/forums/index.php?topic=477.0)?

So they just used that as an excuse to invade Afghanistan, take over and install a puppet regime that would be only too happy to allow the pipeline through. http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/071102_pipelineistan.html For anyone that might be interested in reading further, Google 'US gas pipeline through Afghanistan'.

As for opium, well.. the US Govt again has a long history of ties to the drug trade - from financing heroin manufacturers in France who were fighting Communists there in the 40's to bribing the Taliban in Afghanistan today they've never let a pesky issue like that stop them.

Mark
 
I like to keep things simple.


A bunch of religious nutters flew some planes full of people into some buildings belonging to the worlds most powerfull nation. [yes, the nutters were dumb too].
These religious nutters were based in Afganistan.
So the worlds most powerfull nation moved in and erradicated the feral vermins from Afganistan with the help of others.
At the same time, liberating the nice people who live there from the evil ferals.
Jobs not quite done yet.


I'll stick to that story thanks.

See ya's.
 
Mark Laszczuk said:
The dude supports the war, he supports big business and he supports his buddies on The Hill. In other words, he's no different to any other Republicrat from the last 50 years.

Mark
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There are two wars, Obama has always consistently said he would withdraw from Iraq to concentrate on Afghanistan, this is nothing new. There is no "the war" - two unrelated wars, two countries. Is this concept too much for republican supporters to understand ?
 
joeExpat said:
There are two wars, Obama has always consistently said he would withdraw from Iraq to concentrate on Afghanistan, this is nothing new.
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From the first link in my first post:

U.S. Sen. Barack Obama rallied Connecticut Democrats at their annual dinner Thursday night, throwing his support behind mentor and Senate colleague Joe Lieberman....

Lieberman, Connecticut's junior senator, is under fire from some liberal Democrats for his support of the Iraq War.

"The fact of the matter is, I know some in the party have differences with Joe. I'm going to go ahead and say it," Obama told the 1,700-plus party members.... "I am absolutely certain Connecticut is going to have the good sense to send Joe Lieberman back to the U.S. Senate so he can continue to serve on our behalf," he said.

joeExpat said:
There is no "the war" - two unrelated wars, two countries. Is this concept too much for republican supporters to understand ?
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Unrelated? Are you serious? The Afghan invasion is about gas and oil, the Iraq invasion is about oil. A Republicrat invaded both countries and a Republicrat is going to continue with the invasions.

Mark
 
Blue Card! said:
for the hundredth time folks.....

why did Russia invade Afghanistan during the Cold War? why bother with a country with mud huts and sticks for a border fence when you're taking on an opponent like the 1980's USA? was it just to end the reign of Hafizullah Amin (the pres) because of his anti soviet sentiment and his hopeful PRC links? Was it to quash the Mujahideen? Was it part of a covert CIA anti communist propaganda regime implemented to draw the Soviets into their own little Vietnam?

no. not at all. if anyone believes these versions of events then i would advise you to lift the cap off your eyes.

opium.

the Soviets were running out of money. Fast. they needed cash to fund their military as part of the real threat from the escalating risk of war in the region from the Iran Revolution and the Imposed War of Saddam's regime - and to hold their face against the 1980s USA.

Afghanistan was invaded to take the country as part of the up and coming USSR - remove the militants in an attempt to control and monopolise the opium trade through SE Asia and China. Capital that doesnt have to be declared, so no government will know just how much money they have, regardless of thei intelligence (okay, i'm sure the Mossad would have a way...).

it was a capital raising venture - just like when the US invaded Vietnam. nothing more, nothing less.

so now Russia has been defeated thanks to the covert work of the CIA installing the Taliban under Osama bin Laden (and the Imposed War in Iraq installing Saddam Hussien) they could now destabilise the region, create holes for infiltration and realise the area for what it was worth - opium and oil.

and it still continues - from 1978 to 2008 - the region is still undergoing regime chage after regime change.
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talk about caps on the eyes :rolleyes:

USSR went there to support communist movements and to prevent unrest there which, if untreated, would quickly spread to USSR's territories, as Islamic parties in that region want to create one big muslim halifat.

You can see that happening now in Uzbekistan, where there is a lot of unrest.

Russia wasn't defeated. There was no point staying there as circumstances have changed, so Russia left.

Unlike certain soldiers, they didn't shoot civilian population, and didn't open fire at every little squeak. It was quite common for them to go to markets alone, just having a grenade in a pocket. Everyone knew that, and nobody touched them.

Russian specialists also built schools and hospitals, russian teachers taught afghani kids, doctors were working in hospitals treating local patients, a lot of people studied in Russian universities and technical schools.

So yeah, i think some people certainly need to get the caps off their eyes :rolleyes:
 
Hi Strannik,

At what point do you (not you specifically - that 'you' is a generalisation) justify a hostile invasion? I mean, your analogy could be used to justify many invasions the world over by any manner of governments. Let's call a spade a spade here - would you find a similar invasion by say China of Australia justified? It could happen.

As an example, the U.S. attempts to force certain governments from not procuring and building nuclear and chemical weapons. They justify this by saying that these countries are a threat to the U.S. - but the U.S. holds the largest stockpile of nuclear and chemical weapons of any country in the world. Why is it okay for them? Keep in mind that the U.S. is viewed in much the same way as we (we being the West) view, for example Iran. They are seen as the biggest threat to world peace the world over - and that's no accident.

But let's take a look at the other side for a moment. Those same countries can justify their weapons programs for exactly the same reasons as the U.S. - defence. It's no mistake that Iran re-established their own nuclear weapons program after the U.S. invaded Iraq and Afghanistan. They saw what happened there - and that it could happen to them.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not by any means justifiying it - I abhor any such programs by any government - but I can understand why they would do so. My point is that these situations - both past and present - aren't black and white. It's not 'if you're not with us, you're against us'. It's no accident that the U.S. is seen as an imperialist state which simply goes where it wants and takes whatever it wants.

Whether you and I feel they (they being countries that amass these horrible arsenals) are justified or not is irrelevant. The fact is that - as far as I am concerned - they're all as bad as each other. Iran is no more evil than the U.S. or Russia or Iraq or North Korea or Israel, they are all equally guilty.

Mark
 
I don't see why invasions need a justification. If the country has a goal, and has enough power to try and achieve it - then the invasion is justified.
All the other crap is talk for the masses to keep them calm and happy chewing their Big Macs (or whatever else they choose to chew on)
 
yes
i personally couldn't care less who rules this country
also don't forget China has plenty of almost uninhabited land just north ofit's border,which are far more attractive than australian deserts. so i highly doubt that australia is under threat from China
 
Mark Laszczuk said:
As an example, the U.S. attempts to force certain governments from not procuring and building nuclear and chemical weapons. They justify this by saying that these countries are a threat to the U.S. - but the U.S. holds the largest stockpile of nuclear and chemical weapons of any country in the world. Why is it okay for them? Keep in mind that the U.S. is viewed in much the same way as we (we being the West) view, for example Iran. They are seen as the biggest threat to world peace the world over - and that's no accident.

But let's take a look at the other side for a moment. Those same countries can justify their weapons programs for exactly the same reasons as the U.S. - defence. It's no mistake that Iran re-established their own nuclear weapons program after the U.S. invaded Iraq and Afghanistan. They saw what happened there - and that it could happen to them.
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There is a slight difference; Iran apparently have openly stated they would like to see Israel obliterated.

Buy you're right; they are all guilty, and are all "getting ready" for something, spending enough money to end world poverty.

Are we the most stupid breed of animals on this planet or what?
 
Strannik said:
i personally couldn't care less who rules this country
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Wow... do you actually live here?

So you wouldn't care if some oppressive government ruled the country and forced you, amongst others, to move to some hole west of Mount Isa and work as a subsistence farmer growing veges for the greater good of the country?

GP
 
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