How the Greek economy bailout works.

It is a slow day in a little Greek Village.
The rain is beating down and the streets are deserted.
Times are tough, everybody is in debt, and everybody lives on credit.
On this particular day a rich German tourist is driving through the village, stops at the local hotel and lays a €100 note on the desk, telling the hotel owner he wants to inspect the rooms upstairs in order to pick one to spend the night.
The owner gives him some keys and, as soon as the visitor has walked upstairs, the hotelier grabs the €100 note and runs next door to pay his debt to the butcher.
The butcher takes the €100 note and runs down the street to repay his debt to the pig farmer. The pig farmer takes the €100 note and heads off to pay his bill at the supplier of feed and fuel.
The guy at the Farmers' Co-op takes the €100 note and runs to pay his drinks bill at the taverna.
The tavern owner slips the money along to the local prostitute drinking at the bar, who has also been facing hard times and has had to offer him "services" on credit.
The hooker then rushes to the hotel and pays off her room bill to the hotel owner with the €100 note.
The hotel proprietor then places the €100 note back on the counter so the rich traveller will not suspect anything. At that moment the traveller comes down the stairs, picks up the €100 note, states that the rooms are not satisfactory, pockets the money, and leaves town.

No one produced anything. No one earned anything. However, the whole village is now out of debt and looking to the future with a lot more optimism.
And that, Ladies and Gentlemen, is how the bailout package works.
 
So who's fault is it?

the people who provide the bailouts, knwoing much better than the travelling visitor how the money is used and that it wont' sovle a the problem but preten to anyway....

or do we blame Nick,Geroge & Kon for not paying their share of tax on their 18,000 Euro's
 
3rd time that's been posted on here ... and Jaycee is right :)eek:), it's a fundamental problem rather than a cash liquidity problem.

Public servants get paid 3x the private sector ... but then again, they are the only ones that pay tax in an abysmal failer of a income/tax "honesty" system.
 
3rd time that's been posted on here ... and Jaycee is right :)eek:), it's a fundamental problem rather than a cash liquidity problem.

Public servants get paid 3x the private sector ... but then again, they are the only ones that pay tax in an abysmal failer of a income/tax "honesty" system.

It's an old joke anyway.. the first time I heard it,. tourists rock up to some country town (possibly the one topcropper lives in,not sure) :D

I was suggesting however that the problem is larger than private sector employees not paying their share of tax on their low wages, regardless of wage disparity between private & public sector employees.


Lizzzie, den nomizo to katalabeneis to problima oso kala pou nomizeis..... ;)
 
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Excusez-moi, mon ami?

What I said was: I dont think you understand it as well as you think you do


Based on

Public servants get paid 3x the private sector ... but then again, they are the only ones that pay tax in an abysmal failer of a income/tax "honesty" system.





I don't think you understand it as well as you think you do
 
Decades of huge numbers of socialist governent financed cushy jobs, plus a very generous and highly rorted welfare system equals what they have today.

Bribery amongst officials was/is a huge problem also.
 
Decades of huge numbers of socialist governent financed cushy jobs, plus a very generous and highly rorted welfare system equals what they have today.

Bribery amongst officials was/is a huge problem also.

All that and the wars, alliances (& betrayals), coups and what not else which brought a lot of that about....
 
entry to the euro was all sweet and above board, Goldma Sachs were invovled weren't they....

So it can't be anything to do with that either....


This is hard..
 
3rd time that's been posted on here ... and Jaycee is right :)eek:), it's a fundamental problem rather than a cash liquidity problem.

Public servants get paid 3x the private sector ... but then again, they are the only ones that pay tax in an abysmal failer of a income/tax "honesty" system.

i dont agree with that as over there they have a high rated fpa which is like a gst on everything that the government collects money to counter the lack of tax paying public sector employees, plus they charge silly taxes on imports and stuff like that.

i do think public servants over there dont do much at all apart from drink coffee and delay everything however there salaries a quite low meaning you could get 3 public servants for the price of one here.

the biggest upset to the average joe over there was the restrictions that came with europe where they limit productivity like for eexample they zoned area saying ok in this region u can only produce x amout of x product (it was done to help the weaker economies focus on production) and that really stuffed alot of people up.

well thats what i saw when i was over there working 3 years ago.
 
entry to the euro was all sweet and above board, Goldma Sachs were invovled weren't they....


This is hard..

entry to the euro was only sweet whilst the party of being able to borrow and spend at lower euro interest rates lasted, entry to the euro was also not above board, as the previous government found out after the previous previous government (which was around when the euro was implemented).

This might not have been the determining factor, but it definately is a major contributing factor.

Prior to joining the euro greece had both higher interest rates and more rationalised credit (international debt markets knew who they were financing, ie greece directly under the drachma, so risk taking was more controlled).

Upon joining the euro, interest rates dropped and credit availability increased, a cocktail for excessive credit spending.

Now that the sh**t has hit the fund and because Greece is part of the euro, they cant adopt their previous get of jail card, being a depreciation of the local currency (which was a favourite strategy used whenever things got too hard).

For a more witty answer:
Michael Lewis's 2010 article: Beware of Greeks Bearing Bonds.

http://www.vanityfair.com/business/features/2010/10/greeks-bearing-bonds-201010?currentPage=all

And for the converse view on how Germany got into all of its mess, read Michael Lewis's article: The Secret Lives of Germans.
 
What I said was: I dont think you understand it as well as you think you do

I know ... I was being generalisingly sarcastic.

However, my BIL works in Australia for a very very rich Greek. Gave his daughter an oil tanker for her 21st. He pays bugger all tax and spends most of his money outside of Greece.

I suspect the GST style tax they have is similar to ours, in that it mainly hits the low/middle income earners as they don't have the means to dodged it (ie, as one example purchasing items thru your company so that it becomes GST free).
 
I know ... I was being generalisingly sarcastic.

However, my BIL works in Australia for a very very rich Greek. Gave his daughter an oil tanker for her 21st. He pays bugger all tax and spends most of his money outside of Greece.

I suspect the GST style tax they have is similar to ours, in that it mainly hits the low/middle income earners as they don't have the means to dodged it (ie, as one example purchasing items thru your company so that it becomes GST free).

I realsie that, and I also realise that many peopel actually believe some of the generalising and sacrasm hence my response.....

I'm trying to suggest focussing on blamining indivuidal's for being"shonmky" is naive and incorrect

A billioinaire shipping tyccoon has nothing in common with a public servant or a kitchen hand tkaing home$12k - $18k pa
 
A billioinaire shipping tyccoon has nothing in common with a public servant or a kitchen hand tkaing home$12k - $18k pa

It does if he doesn't pay any taxes - and therefore the kitchen hand has to pay extra to cover the billionaires' financial responsibilities to his country.

And, yes, I agree that there is a difference between tax minimalisation (which is legal and I agree with) and altogether avoidance.
 
I'm trying to suggest focussing on blamining indivuidal's for being"shonmky" is naive and incorrect

and yet what is the cummulative impact of millions of individuals acting in accordance with their own individual best interest.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/45680618

yet i am still suspicious when the cumulative is taken into account. because when the cumulative is taken into account, greece is still behind the 8-ball as evidence by the recent international montetary findings that greece has still to implement its agreed upon measures.
They are going kicking and screaming into this, not because of any national unity/obligational duty, but because the alternative doors are shutting fast.

PS read the last sentance in the above link, when one doesnt trust the state. This is the underlying key to the future of greece. If individual greeks cannot trust the state, then the state cannot operate effectively.

In Australia, we grumble alot, but at the end of the day, we still believe in 'Australia' as a country (we just cant wait until the next federal election to vent our cumulative individual opinon)
 
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