How to finance 16 block complex one 1 title 15.7% return

I have been looking at a block of 16 1 bedroom units in a mining area

Costs is $1990,000 they are on 1 title and leased to a mining company for 2 years with 5 1 year options

is it possible to lend on these using the rental income

I have already talked to NAB and they say we would need to be able to service the loan which would be approx 2.1million which we can not tried to get the point that once we take ownership we will be earning more then enough to cover this loan at 6.9%.

I think it depends who you talk to a few weeks ago we had no problem being able to lend based on rental income this home loan specialists says we can only lend on what we currently earn:confused:

The other problem is we can get our hands on just under 10% about 180k

we need 20% which I thought from the start but isn't there a lender that will lend on 95% in mining towns surely there must be one?

should I give up and go and buy cheaper properties instead of this one big one?
 
Talk to a different lender for starters NAB are down right stupid with investment properties income in my experience unless you happen to get right person.

Lot to invest in one particular town/mine.
 
Me thinks you were speaking to the wrong person at NAB as they certainly consider potential rental income.

Be lucky to get them do much past 70-75% lvr however if the property is on a single Title.
 
This deal isn't your simple 'apply for a home loan through the bank'. Your branch staff at the front desk will have absolutely no idea about, nor any authority to approve, this type of deal. This requires alternative sources of funding.
 
Hi,

This is def a commercial deal; you will not get this at residential rate ( 6.9% as you quoted) due to the numbers of unit on one title ... generally speaking anything under 10 units on one title and not a specialized property is still residential.

With NAB they will do this at a MAX LVR of 70% i can not see it go past this, and to get it at 70% LVR is not straight forward as well. As long as it's not a Business as such ie not a hotel/motel or boarding house then they will take in consideration 60% of your rental income and also you need to be able to service 50% of the debt without the rent ( PAY/self employed income) -- they do NOT want you to be too "rent dependent".

One of your biggest problem you will have is to get a suitable valuation to support the price; so ask your agent for simliar sold prices else don't expect to buy this at a LVR higher then 50% given it's in a mining town as well ( + it most likely won't be a NAB deal, you will need to go to another commercial sources) .


Regards
Michael
 
That's an incredible prospective net annual return though (leaving aside the prospect of rent increases), James!

It certainly sounds like something worth seriously investigating with a knowledgable mortgage broker, accountant and lawyer.

The big cost issues for PIs in the mining area are property management costs (open to volume negotiation though, where you'd have immediate volume) and maintenance expenses (which of course reflects the rent levels maintenance people have to pay themselves).

So, aside from whatever the professionals can assist with, you'll still need to do plenty of DD yourself.

Still, I can't see how getting a deal like this across the line couldn't put $1M cash in your pocket after all costs over 7 years, without even considering the CG potential.

Of course, there's always the risks to consider, but not many people made their own fortune without taking risks.

So very best of luck!
 
if it all goes to **** you could rent it to julia as a processing centre.

Hahaha this place will fill after 1 day/1 boat arrival :)

Good returns, but def huge risk; a $2m purchase in a mining town...returns in mining town are around 12%+ now days anyway, so make sure you are happy to invest such a large chuck into ONE property + the rent is on a 2 years lease- what happens after the 2nd year?? would the company/tenant re-sign?

Regards
Michael
 
Too true. Nothing's guaranteed. Hence the need for DD, and a careful consideration of the risks.

If it's a large mining centre with a number of mines and a wide variety of support businesses needing to house workers too, it would be less risky than a single-mine small town, obviously.

As to whether there's a significant likelihood of local economic disruption (flood, cyclone, strikes, etc), that would also need consideration and contingency planning for.

Then there's the biggies: The potential for collapse in either international commodity demand or prices, or a major outbreak of inflation. There's not a lot you can do to prepare for that (except perhaps not have any exposure to debt, and possibly be sitting on a large pile of gold bullion).

But I don't subscribe to the view that the developing world will just throw in the towel one day and say, "Develop? Meh! We've decided to stick with straw huts and bullock carts after all." (Despite the urgings of the Taliban and likeminded fellow travellers to do just that.)

And who's to say that 'regular' residential property investing doesn't carry its own risks, the growing one seemingly being that you'll be holding a poorly performing portfolio that doesn't ultimately lead you to financial independence in the end?
 
So let's make some reasonable assumptions and do a bit of DD ;


1.0 Capital

Assume you are able to negotiate a bit off the asking price and sign a sales contract for 1.95m

Maximum loan amount will probably be 70% LVR.

Assuming it values up at 1.95m.......big assumption right there !!

Maximum loan extended would be 1,365 K.

Stamp duty will likely be around 75 to 80K.

Other closing costs in total will probably be around 20K.

Purchaser will need to stump up cash of (30% of 1.95m) + 100K = 685K.


Big questions you have to ask yourself.....how much is a small block (less than 1 acre) out in the sticks of Collinsville worth.

...and how much are 16 demountables fitted out worth.



2.0 Income

This is the area where the Banks are really turning the screws on.

The Banks won't particularly like that the previous Landlord has given away such an attractive term to the Tenant. A 2+1+1+1+1+1 structure is very much in the favour of the Tenant. They done good negotiating that....it means they can bug out pretty much at any time and leave the Landlord high and dry. Further to that, they can demand, and reasonably expect to get, upgrades to both infrastructure and fit-outs within the 1 bed apartments.

The miners who used the facilities would be fairly harsh on brand new fridges / washers / bathrooms. I'm presuming all of the furniture you see is owned and being depreciated by the Landlord. The Tenants will no doubt help them along fairly quickly in depreciating the items. I think it's fair to assume that they will be more aggressive than that which the ATO allows the Landlord relief.

Gross Income = $ 6,000 * 52 = $ 312,000

It is unclear whether the Lease is for all 16 units, or whether they only pay for the units occupied at any one time. If it was the latter, that would kill the deal stone dead right there.

Outgoings (this is where a whole bunch of assumptions need to be made)


Shire Rates..............could range between $ 6K and $ 12K
Water Rates.............could range between $ 2K and $ 5K
Land Tax.................who knows.....say $ 4K....assuming only land in Qld
Insurances................these will be high....say $ 7K
PM fees....................all up probably 8%....say $ 25K
Maintenance.............cleaning / picking up cartons / cans / cigarette butts
Damage...................these boys can get really rough on equipment

All up outgoing costs say $ 70 K pa.


Nett Income of 312 K - 70 K = 242 K pa.


Interest costs of 1,365K * 8.3% pa = 114 K pa.


Therefore Nett Profit of 242 K - 114 K = 128 K pa.



3.0 Conclusion

IF the place is leased, the Purchaser can expect around 120 to 130 K pa or around $ 2,500 per week pouring into their pocket.


IF the place is empty, the Purchaser can expect around 180 to 190 K pa or around $ 3,500 per week ripping out of their pocket.


Therefore, breakeven tenancy amount appears to be about 10 out of the 16. If the place has more than 10 units rented, you're in front. Any less than 10, and you are going backwards.


Of course, if the mining compnay decides to pull the pin and you try and fill the place with locals, the quality of income will come waaaay down, and I'd also presume, having visited Collinsville, so will the rental rates obtained.


I think the Lease structure of 2+1+1+1+1+1 will be very off putting to both the Valuer and the Bank's credit dept.


An alternative to stumping up 685K of your own cash on this might be to take it and purchase outright something nice on a long 10 year Lease in the CBD of a major capital city earnign you probably 60K nett cash return. It would only be half of what the above property would do if fully leased, but the risks would be way less, and you wouldn't have 2m bucks tied up in some backward Qld country town.

Having visited distant relatives in Collinsville, I can say it isn't the @r$e end of the world, but you can see it from there.
 
Yep, looks like a very risky one-horse town. (Curiously, according to Wikipedia, it sports 1 hardware shop but nonetheless 5 newsagents.)
 
Hey james w,

The post by Dazz above (# 16) spells out the likely net return that may be expected, not only from this but also as a template to be used by each and every one of us in doing desktop DD. You may get some depreciation as cream here however your net yield is not that strong for the buck$ involved and for the asset risk.

My 0.02............ This is a town with 2000 people enjoying one newsagent per 400 inhabitants. Those units look tiny. Barely motel room. TV precariously perched atop a bar fridge. That looks safe.

I would seriously entertain what the likely exit strategy would be for these.

I am not a lender, nor a broker so I stand to be corrected, however if financiers are looking at 70 % LVR for anything over four doors (or six at stretch) and this is also likely to attract comm rates as well, will they even fund something like this in a town with such a smalll population.??

And, even if they do fund it, will you ?? have regular reviews as the lease expiry beckons.?Even if the first couple of option periods are exercised......... I would not want to have to plead with the lenders to continue entertaining your custom.



The tenant has all the control here and I would hate to see what might happen were they to walk out. James w, if you understand the town and the nature of the need for accommodation there, then you have one up on us here throwing around our ideas, however what is your fall-back position and, I repeat, what is your exit?

This thing is now approaching 800 hits. Not much for a house in Frankston, however for a large 16 key asset in a small town......few people are looking for these. How long has it been on the market for? Why is the owner selling?

If you are keen to stump up 30 - 35 % ca$h or equity, for this why not entertain a circa 2 Mill commercial asset in a metro area with a net 8-10 % return and far less risk, mitigating the insomnia factor.

Again, not wishing to put a negative light on this. For all we know this could be worth double and with good cashflow in several years. Then again, demand may wane for a year or two.....how will you hold it?

Just some thoughts.................
 
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