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With my PPOR my future wife will have the final say so will prob have to spend a few million on renovations to make her happy.
What is the Award for these types of tradies? Surely nowhere near $66/h. I understand some/most will charge these types of fees but surely there are others on the Award where you can either negotiate p/h fee or fixed fee per job?
Wow tradesman rates in Australia are crazy high these days. I guess they'll come down a bit as the property market cools and there is less work. This is what happened in Spain, I just got an entire 3 bed house painted there (internal) for less than $1000 (including paint).
I thought it was the other way around, most young people are seeing their mates at uni studying their butt off for years and then getting a $40k grad job only to be over worked and laid off while, their other friends who did an apprenticeship for 3 years now have brand new shiny utes, get a $90 callout fee for everything, get paid $50+ per hour, earn their $50-$100k, work whenver they want to, not turn up when they cant be bothered, and spending 4pm onwards at the pubThere is a shortage of tradesmen as more and more young epopel dont want to go into apprenticeships, they want to go to uni, and work in IT, finance or other professional industries.
Trades work isnt as highly regarded these days. Which is really a good thing as this shortage has increased the rates tradies can charge as demand rises and supply lessens. And its only going to get better (or worse, depending which side of the fence you're on.
I thought it was the other way around, most young people are seeing their mates at uni studying their butt off for years and then getting a $40k grad job only to be over worked and laid off while, their other friends who did an apprenticeship for 3 years now have brand new shiny utes, get a $90 callout fee for everything, get paid $50+ per hour, earn their $50-$100k, work whenver they want to, not turn up when they cant be bothered, and spending 4pm onwards at the pub
i think it is the other way around. only in australia - they are deemed like "5 star" profession. in other parts of the world - being a trade are mainly for people who did not do well at school. Being in the corporate world is very different as opposed to being on a building job site.
log a job on service central and seeking central for chippies and handyman and you will quickly find out how many of them are desperate for work.
not sure what is so great being a plumber and dealing literally with **** everyday or climbing through a roof to do cabling etc. One of my chippies has got basically back problems at 29 years old after going hard everyday and now can't work - so how is he going to supplement his lost income? that is what you gain just going at it.
unless the trade has a business mindset which he would have learned from getting some schooling like my electrician who finished year 12 and did some tafe courses. recently he has just scored a 300 homes contract. as for ppl who stay in offices - yeah you may be right but the biggest apartment developer in melbourne of more than 70 towers was originally 3 guys - an accountant, a schoolteacher and a banker.
in my opinion being a trade ain't a glamarous job and it has many risks as it depends on a projects or jobs coming in. work smart not work hard.
Wow tradesman rates in Australia are crazy high these days. I guess they'll come down a bit as the property market cools and there is less work. This is what happened in Spain, I just got an entire 3 bed house painted there (internal) for less than $1000 (including paint).
66 per hour is overpriced for handyman man work or any installations for a kitchen. It would be something for a plumber. Other that than it is not industry standard. Ppl who charge these rates either are in a commercial arrangement but it is def not across the board.
Living costs are highest in melb and Sydney and my handyman chippie who is a registered builder only charges 45 per hour.
Yeah, you're right, being a tradesman isn't a glamorous job, but we don't need to defend ourselves like you do.
Your whole post is white collar vs. blue collar and it seems to me like you wish you were wearing a different shirt.
This is the same in my area (northeast NSW). My chippy is a registered builder and only charges $45/hr though mostly gives me quotes which I happily grant.
My sparkie charges $60/hr, plumber $66.
Working as a landscaper, I charged $55/hr but have virtually given that up now since I can almost double that with development projects.
Probably a marked variation from city to regional. Even within a city there may be fluctuations depending on the area.
besides in melbourne - a whole shipload of greeks just arrived to work from concreters to handyman. simple macroeconomics of supply demand, when supply exceeds demand - prices rates fall.
MsAli,
I don't think money will matter then... so she can have whatever she wants.
Sure we will be happy with or without lots of money - but a gold plated pool sounds like a good idea
edlev and others,
What is the Award for these types of tradies? Surely nowhere near $66/h. I understand some/most will charge these types of fees but surely there are others on the Award where you can either negotiate p/h fee or fixed fee per job?
I know the quality/efficiency may not be there but I will know pretty quickly (with help from grandfather etc...) whether the work is up to scratch.
Maybe I just need to find a few tradesman with low self esteem who don't value their time as highly as others
No there are a lot of highly skilled tradesmen with their own businesses in Spain just very very short of work after the construction industry collapse. I paid by debit into their bank account, no cash, though that happens a lot there of course (Australia too). So you get quality work done much cheaper than 4 years ago.Isn't Spain like Greece .
Painter - probably unlicenced, no ABN, cash payment, and some brushes and rollers in the back of the wagon/ute.
Much of a tradies charge HERE goes towards business related expenses.