Obama on Jay Leno: Good watching

He's very charasmatic and seems to have the right answer for everything, but at the end of the day he has his strings pulled, he's not the puppetmaster. Anyone watching that interview would be thinking, wow what a great guy, he has such a smart/witty answer for everything, but no doubt it was 99% scripted.

Obama keeps talking about change, what change has he implemented so far? He has a bunch of crooks for his advisors, what is he going to do that any other puppet that made it to office wouldn't have in his position?
 
Love him, on every level - charming, witty, sexy, intelligent, compassionate, intelligent - he's got it all. *sigh*

hobo-jo, I think there are a lot of people who just love him for being charming, and it doesn't go beyond that superficiality. I feared he may be "all surface", but having studied his background, views, and character in more depth, I'm now absolutely convinced that, fortunately for the world, Obama is blessed with both style and substance (each in large measure).

Another point, and fortunately again: it doesn't much matter why he enjoys such large popular support. The fact that he has that support has its own value; the USA - and the world - need a leader they believe in, and who has confidence in the future.

I think he's exactly what both the USA, and the world, need right now.
 
If I was getting brain surgery, I wouldn't care how big an ahole, how poor a communicator, how uncharismatic my neurosurgeon was......as long as he knew his stuff.

Now what was the role of a President again?
 
Expressed beautifully Ozperp, feel much the same way, am following the Obamas, USA theatre with great interest, it's quite amusing here, usually Mr OO doesn't follow much to any politics/personalities/families involved, but he has quite the crush ? on Michelle Obama, she stops him dead in his tracks.

I'm not able to load up the you tube, but I already like, respect and admire his character, what I know and have seen. Very, very *sexy guy.

* Sexy=my perception is that I do not particularly find male leaders of all countries therefore sexy; and I do not necessarily find sexy guys in my view therefore capable of being leaders of varying countries.

I am following Barry Obama on his very interesting journey as the USA's leader, I like what I am seeing/hearing (coming out of his mouth/being reported to us via media=paper and tv), varying implementations he has made already within his power as leader...etc

I also happen to find the guy actually floats my boat, through what I have seen of his character, communication style, apparent values, ideas he has.....hmmm, I find myself attracted to Barack Obama on many levels.

Am enjoying it all immensely, not about to leave my partner for him but I am attracted to this man. I also fancy George Clooney, Bono, Greg Kinnear,Tim Costello and a few other guys in my immediate living/circle of social contacts/business. I am only human, I am female, I find some guys really attractive for many and varied reasons...BUT I never eat hamburger when I have steak at home.

Stephen Smith (labor gov't does it for me too).

Kevin Rudd not so much, but I do adore Julia Gillard, I love her, as a person, woman, role model...she is so inspiring for me.

Just some clarification on stuff I wanted to throw in the ring.;)
 
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Too bad America's problems won't be fixed with charm, charisma and sexiness or all their problems would be history.

America is very fortunately to have the right person at the right time.
I would be interested to know what chilliaa means by this comment, because I completely disagree. What makes him the right person?
 
If I was getting brain surgery, I wouldn't care how big an ahole, how poor a communicator, how uncharismatic my neurosurgeon was......as long as he knew his stuff.

Now what was the role of a President again?


I have to disagree for a change WW.

A surgeon is one person fulfilling a job, and needs to be highly skilled at it. Only a tiny part of his job is to do with people skills, because he doesn't really manage a team. They can be (and usually are) indifferent and rude towards other members of their team while on the job (nurses etc). Their only focus is the patient, and rightly so.

But, in all organisations, there are people who are the boss of many others.

The best people (bosses) in these organisations are the ones who bring their team together to work in the optimum performance. They are not necessarily the smartest, but they have the smart people in their team, and their skill is in inspiring others to do their best and create a good team result.

This is the magic of Obama.

He is no doubt not the most influential or the smartest pesron in the team. He must have some knowledge and expertise, otherwise he wouldn't have got this far in the first place.

But he brings inspiration, hope and he instills a sense of honesty in his position, and connection with the people. Something that Bush never had, but Clinton and Reagan did.

A good President must have these skills.

The solution in America is to re-ignite the spirit of the people; they have lost it from my observation.

They have lost faith in the Govt due to all the greed and corruption, and they have lost respect for anyone with a suit on for the same reason.

People like CEO's and company presidents are not revered anymore; everyone idolises the sports, music and movie stars - their only focus is to become rich and famous and the old values have been forgotten.

All Obama needs to do is bring the people together and put in place the people to carry out the jobs required. He can do that.

The good thing about him is he is not afraid to say what needs to be said to the people, and is also not afraid to "put on notice" all these shifty pr!cks that have taken over the joint in the last 40 years.
 
BV, my issue with Obamarama is it encourages the people to continue to lean on goverment, rather than taking more individual responsibility for one's health, wealth, happiness, consumption, and debt.

I am a believer in minimum government, but that only works when people square up to themselves honestly and intelligently, and have enough character not to see everyone else as a impotent patsy to be ripped off.

Obama, his team, the left, and hollywood, have been marketing him as having the best and fairest solutions. I don't believe this. The best and fairest solutions ly in everyone putting their best foot forward. The govt should just make sure they do what they are commissioned to do.....and that is ensure everyone plays by fair rules........

Many blame Bush for today's problems. But it is the US congress that has the most power, and there were more dems in it....who don't understand free markets and practical policy.

Obama won the election making promises that are impossible to keep......health care, jobs, etc etc.....

only by every American waking up to self responsibility for consuming what they can afford and producing goods and services to the value of those they consume, will the USA move forwards....

Everything Obama talked about in the lead up to the election was about the govt taking on more responsibility, providing more jobs, more services.

That can only be done when the private sector is healthy enough to grow and suck more taxes out of.

Obama is a 'free lunch' kinda guy. Everyone loves a free lunch.

Though I admit he has charisma. But I have met enough charismatics in my time to see how they would have us believe their curve balls are straight....you see, it doesn't hurt so much when your assasin is soft spoken and empathetic, and shoots you in the head from behind.

Personally, I'd have preferred Condyleesa Rice as first black president.
She is a proven commodity, is smarter, more articulate, and understands free markets.

anyway, I am off to the farm for the rest of the weekend .....
 
Just jumping on board the Obama bandwagon - what a shame we don't have him over here!

I believe he will go on to be one of the greatest world leaders ever seen and I believe he WILL bring USA out of this followed by the rest of the world. That is so long as the Klan are kept at arms length.

Just for the record I don't actually fancy him so I don't think my thoughts are clouded by lust like some of you ladies. Rob is more my type but now he's gone off and found himself a hot chick! LOL
 
BV, my issue with Obamarama is it encourages the people to continue to lean on goverment, rather than taking more individual responsibility for one's health, wealth, happiness, consumption, and debt.

On the contrary; I have only ever heard him go on and on about the whole Nation needing to stand up and get involved to fix their own problems. Work harder, take pride, and so on - don't rely on others to fix your problems.

I agree he wants to fix healthcare and education, but this is what everyone that I talked to over there wants as well - Global warming a close third (or second even; if you are greenie zealot).

So he is only echoing what the people want. Their current system is practically unworkable; with only the upper-middle class and wealthy being able to access any sort of decent quaility level of either.

Having a better healthcare and education system is not a "free lunch' type philosophy (although personally I reckon all education and health should be free - and I'm a capitalist pig!).

I agree that the yanks need to step up and take personal responsibility for their own lifestyle and health issues. They are generally a very obese lot. We are not much better, and our welfare mentality is increasing here in Aus.

Obama may prove to not be able to keep his promises for a better health and education system, but if he achieves even a 5% improvement, that is an enormous improvement on what they have now.

On that note; he has never deluded the people either; he always makes sure he mentions that the road will be tough and hard decisions will need to be made.

He doesn't delude them by saying it will happen overnight and that it will be easy.

The fact that he even gets up on the podium and mentions these issues is a massive change; in 3 years that I was there, I NEVER heard Bush or Cheyney EVER talk about anything other than Iraq and terrorists.

Bush's mention of the economy only ever occured at his yearly Address to the Nation, and it was fleeting and very macro. All is well; our economy is robust etc. It was total BS, and everyone hated him for it.

His "children" were neglected; for 8 years.

Now, if you are Mr&Mrs Joe Thong out in the burbs, how does that make you feel when you are bleeding from every orifice and can't get your kids educated and attended to at the doctor, when all you ever here is cr@p about how safe the Country is from a terrorist, and some @rsehole CEO has just made another $50 million bonus for the year while their company went into the red by another $100 mill? THAT'S America.

Then, Obama comes along and grabs hold of the hand of the neglected child, shows them love and interest. The child becomes happy, his/her spirit rises, tries that bit harder.

If he doesn't deliver the goods after 4 years, then we might have a slight reason to lose faith, but not yet.
 
Their current system is practically unworkable; with only the upper-middle class and wealthy being able to access any sort of decent quaility level of either.

Having a better healthcare and education system is not a "free lunch' type philosophy (although personally I reckon all education and health should be free - and I'm a capitalist pig!).
I couldn't agree more. Education is funded according to the tax contributions of locals in the USA, so people living in wealthier areas get more spent on their kids' education (the exact opposite of our system here). In 2005-6, the public (federal, state, and county combined) contributed $14,884 to each primary-secondary student in New York state, but only $5,437 in Utah*. In Australia, we spent about $11K per student (national and state combined), but that's fairly consistent between all public schools Australia-wide.

As in Australia, the costs of staff and resources are fairly consistent all over the USA. Students in NY state simply get a better education than kids in Utah - they have lots of excursions, extra-curricular activities, a wide subject offering, great teaching resources, and even dedicated school buses and great cafeteria food. Students in Utah... well... not so much.

Medical costs are the leading cause of bankruptcy in the USA (>50% bankruptcies), and more than 68% of those who file bankruptcy due to medical costs had insurance. :eek:

Unlike the situation with education, they spend plenty on health care in the USA; they're just not getting good value for it. It's not only possible but unremarkable to die because you can't afford life-saving treatment.

Addressing these huge inequities is a long way from advocating socialism.
 
http://www.nbc.com/The_Tonight_Show_with_Jay_Leno/video/clips/president-obama-319/1067541/


Very good watching, provides insights into the president that is not available in forumal Presidential speaches.

America is very fortunately to have the right person at the right time.

Thanks for sharing. That was interesting.

I believe that Obama is the best president the US has had for a long time.

It's easy to be a cynic, but an inspiring and charismatic person is exactly what the US needs right now.
 
BV, my issue with Obamarama is it encourages the people to continue to lean on goverment, rather than taking more individual responsibility for one's health, wealth, happiness, consumption, and debt.

I am a believer in minimum government, but that only works when people square up to themselves honestly and intelligently, and have enough character not to see everyone else as a impotent patsy to be ripped off.

Obama, his team, the left, and hollywood, have been marketing him as having the best and fairest solutions.

The issue of politicians raising expectations of government and promising 'leadership' (as opposed to reflecting the will of the people, leaving them to their own devices and reducing government burdens) did not start with Obama and co.

With the exception of Barry Goldwater in 1964 (a libertarian 'small-government' Republican eg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GITwqqE72N8&feature=related ), even people from 'your side' (eg Richard Nixon) got into the political auction and promised government as cure.

As an example, let's review this highly praised 'Nixon Now' presidential ad from 1972 and note some its 'big government' claims.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qZfN7cdm_M

Nixon ad said:
Making dreams reality

The pictures show people hugging their partners etc - matters which are outside government control

Nixon ad said:
He's made the difference - he's shown us how

Shouldn't the people be showing the politicians - not politicians showing the people how?

Implies that wisdom comes from government and up high, rather than from the people, which a genuine freedom lover would believe.

Nixon ad said:
Pictures show things like 'We Luv the Pres' and 'Nixon = happiness'

If the people are genuinely free, their mental state should be determined by how they think and matters under their control - and not depend on government or a political 'father figure'. The messages above tend to infantasise free-thinking adults.
 
he's a great guy but still yet to be prove himself as the president. time will tell....his policies and ideas are good but means nothing until he does something about it,

I was on team Hillary though.

I also think Bill is just as or even more charismatic than Obama. Maybe coz I met him. I witnessed americans drop to the floor and worshipped him and cried when his term was over....it was weird.

Obama reminds me of Rudd.
 
I agree Bush lost his way, and missed a lot of opportunity, primarily because he didn't have the tactical mind to stay focused on the issues of the day as they unfolded. I even agree the Iraq situation was totally misread and mishandled by Bush. And I think the Republican party has become festooned with mediocre minds.

But I remain a libertarian.

As for free health care and free education per se, well let's not lose site that just because it 'appears' to work in Australia, it doesn't necessarily mean it would work everywhere else. And let's not forget that Australian health care is not free.
-Ask tourists that come here without health insurance.
-Check the public waiting lists for total knee replacements.
-If you earn over $100k pa and don't have private health insurance, how free is your public hospital?

Would free health care work in South Africa, where most of the black popn chooses not to believe in AIDS, and black unemployment is high.

A recent finding revealed Mexicans in California consume govt services of a value higher than their contribution to GDP. How sustainable is that?

I don't endorse ahole directors of enron, hih, aig, macquarie bank, etc, that think they're contribution to the free markets is worth millions, and treat Joe Average as yobs to be parted from their hard earnt by any means.....

I've done enough underpaid time in the public hospitals, nursing homes, MS Society, Blue Care, and enough under market priced service for DVA and medicare, to have no doubt about the integrity of my social conscience.

Just keep in mind, and no disrespect BV, how you might equally provide a discount on a motor vehicle service to Gold Card Aussie war veterans and the underprivileged. Why should a nurse or doctor or physiotherapist be expected to discount their income to help the underprivileged when other providers of goods and services don't?

Nevertheless, let Obamarama work his charm. And let's hope the US wake up sooner rather than later, that there truly is no free lunch (with an endless supply of bread and fish). If he pulls that off, he'll have a book written about him called the Bible II.





On the contrary; I have only ever heard him go on and on about the whole Nation needing to stand up and get involved to fix their own problems. Work harder, take pride, and so on - don't rely on others to fix your problems.
 
as for free education, it is like anything provided by the govt. Once they get their hands on it, they let one surreptitious ideology override the free will of the people, in determining course syllabus. Education becomes just another bltch for ideologues to exploit and abuse. History gets a leftist spin, the syllabus gets dumbed down to meet the lowest common denominator, core subjects are downgraded. Somehow, a more efficient pragmatic approach to education, one where the job market influences what is taught, is lost as high brow social engineers spin a tangled web.

I worked as a senior tutor at Uni of Qld, and unfortunately, students who got a 'free education', were under-represented. Is that a sign of an inferior education?

Gee even Rudd's Dept of Migration recently refused a German doctor working in rural Australia from having his Downs Syndrome son claim Aussie citizenship, on the grounds it would be too high a burden on the Aussie health system. Yet another example of how when govt gets their hands on things, freedoms are sacrificed.
 
Just keep in mind, and no disrespect BV, how you might equally provide a discount on a motor vehicle service to Gold Card Aussie war veterans and the underprivileged. Why should a nurse or doctor or physiotherapist be expected to discount their income to help the underprivileged when other providers of goods and services don't?

No worries WW.

With regards to the healthworkers; I don't expect they should give any discounts, as others also don't.

In my statement about free heath and education, these services would be Govt owned and funded by the tax payer.

Yes, we would all pay for it in out taxes, but a system put in place whereby those who don't use it (above a standard level to be set) receive some form of tax credit or end of year rebate would be a good thing.

People like my family for example - we are only 3 people - virtually never use the system (touch wood), so we would be low whatever average is decided.

Naturally, the hospitals etc would be non profit, but the workers are paid their correct remuneration, and to keep them there we should be paying them more. We can't afford to lose all out healthworkers to other industries like IT just becuase they can double their income and have weekends off - which is happening.

The problem with the private system is there needs to be profits, shareholders to placate, massive bonuses to be paid. The bottom-line wins and the patients pay to maintain it.

Fine if you can afford it, but the pool of folk who can is ever-shrinking as our penguin society succumbs to the debt-driven comsumer world more and more.
 
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