Yes I am making a judgement and the judgement is that the person is single... if it were a female I think she would be single too lol. A bit hard to take someone home for a romantic evening in that place haha.
One of the dirtiest tenants...pics attached
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Yes I am making a judgement and the judgement is that the person is single... if it were a female I think she would be single too lol. A bit hard to take someone home for a romantic evening in that place haha.
succinct, apt, cost effective.
I'm sure the type who needs the psychologists with this particular problem would not be in the army.
It is not an easy fix, nor is it funny.
Dunno Dazz but by the looks the resident there probably had their own sergeant major, who nobody else could see, shouting at them to do something else entirely.
Having been exposed to the behaviour of some who have mentally been very unwell, I can certainly confirm reality can take a distant second place to the conversations going on inside their head. But at least in the Army they would get some treatment before being medically discharged.
Of course there are also people who are just lazy and disgusting and need a good kick up the backside. Knowing the difference between them is the trick to finding the appropriate remedy.
Wylie, I reckon there's a lot of room for more instant negative reinforcement in today's cotton wool PC society.
Was listening to the news this morning and they say police have to use cap spray on younger generations a lot cos so many of em think they have a right to treat police as spittoons, punching bags, and pigs to be sliced up with knives.
We're obviously living in a time of diversifying family values, which is accompanying a higher rate of mental illness and poor understanding of the importance of self restraint.
HE, much mental illness has to be umasked by any number of stressors, like not getting 3 square meals a day, no family routine and order, parents not clearly delineating what is acceptable and unacceptable behavior, lack of communal consciousness. Throw recreational drugs on top of that and ka-boom.
Was listening to the news this morning and they say police have to use cap spray on younger generations a lot cos so many of em think they have a right to treat police as spittoons, punching bags, and pigs to be sliced up with knives.
We're obviously living in a time of diversifying family values, which is accompanying a higher rate of mental illness and poor understanding of the importance of self restraint.
HE, much mental illness has to be umasked by any number of stressors, like not getting 3 square meals a day, no family routine and order, parents not clearly delineating what is acceptable and unacceptable behavior, lack of communal consciousness. Throw recreational drugs on top of that and ka-boom.
Hi WW
I agree there is evidence that a trend to increasing mental illness in society can be ascribed to some of the factors you mention, particularly recreational drug use. But we need to keep in mind that the mentally ill have been with us since forever and there has always been a relatively constant proportion of them. The proportion is growing a bit but the bulk is still made up of that standard proportion.
We used to treat them in asylums but now we treat them by far "in the community", which is remarkably successful when they take their medication. Of course, one of the symptoms of their illness can be a strong reluctance to take said medication, believing it to be poison or the like. As the medication "levels" their mood, it can also feel much better having the manic delusion, leaving even less of an inclination to take the meds.
There is an acute shortage of facilities around Australia to enforce medical compliance on the mentally ill and the requirements to get involuntarily admitted to are basically that you have to be in imminent danger of physical harm to yourself or others. Plenty of people don't meet that test but are still very unwell and they just slip through the cracks. Especially when they self medicate with alcohol or other things instead as a result of not sticking with the right treatment.
So I would suggest a fairly large proportion of the likes of potentially this resident and those you find sleeping on park benches are actually mentally unwell and the only way for them to get better is with the appropriate (involuntary in many cases) treatment. Whether they got that way through the roll of the dice of life or through drug use, their only way out is treatment.
We know the diagnosis and we know the fix but our society merely lacks the cajones to enforce treatment on those who don't know their own mind, for fear of impinging on people's "rights" (the right to be sick?). In the time of asylums we used to practice involuntary admission much more widely - I merely suggest with the much improved treatments now available the practice of involuntary admission and treatment would now be much more effective if we were brave enough for it. I know many family members and relatives of the mentally ill who would just love such an outcome...
Sorry if I confused you but, no, it referred to one member of hubby's family who has been in and out of psych wards. She gets "well" again, but as soon as she comes out, the downhill slide starts. She feels well and thinks she doesn't need her medication, and around it goes.....
The government has a lot to answer for. In the "old days" there were places she could go where she could function semi-independently with someone on site to ensure the medication is taken. Those places mostly are closed and the poor old family gets to pick up the pieces.
I know another poor lady whose brother is in a similar position. He is a danger to himself, to her and to anybody else at the wrong time, in the wrong place. Hospital keeps turfing him back out with no support.
I just don't like it when some people sometimes judge how "easy" it is to fix these problems, when the reality is very different.
The government has a lot to answer for. In the "old days" there were places she could go where she could function semi-independently with someone on site to ensure the medication is taken. Those places mostly are closed and the poor old family gets to pick up the pieces.
I know another poor lady whose brother is in a similar position. He is a danger to himself, to her and to anybody else at the wrong time, in the wrong place. Hospital keeps turfing him back out with no support.
I just don't like it when some people sometimes judge how "easy" it is to fix these problems, when the reality is very different.
Agreed - I didn't mean to imply it was ever an easy fix. Just that the current approach of jumping in to hospital only when you get unwell enough and back out again as soon as there is a bit of improvement, is far from ideal when long term appropriate medical treatment is really the only effective measure.
In particular, I would like to see more measures taken to enforce compliance with medication requirements, either in the community or in specialised accomodation.
BTW you're not the only one around here with personal experience of these issues...
Regarding compliance, the law is very hesitant in enforcing orders that force a person to take medication, regardless of how sick they are.
The criteria to do so is ridiculously narrow and the majority of orders are only enforced for a short period of time.
A pt. literally has to have a history of being in constant danger to themselves and others everytime they become non compliant to even consider long therm orders.
It's is very frustrating for Drs., health workers, police and families, who can see how a psychiatric pt. can't always make rational decisions when well (becoming non compliant) let alone when they're unwell.
It's a complete turnaround to how things were years ago.
Absolutely!! I have been amazed to learn over the years from friends (and here on SS) that the issues in our family that I used to think were not common, are in fact more common that I would have imagined. Like me, some friends have felt their family issues were uncommon, and tended to keep the issues to themselves.
Once I opened up about the things we had to deal with, and my friends would tell me their stories, I started to realise how big a problem mental illness really is. I feel so much more "normal" now that I realise our family was not unusual at all, and our issues are shared by so many more than I could ever have guessed.
The other thing is that this SIL's mum will not discuss the subject, insisting that she "is fine now", just before she crashes once again. The denial is frustrating, like she is trying to hide the problem from her own family.
And from herself perhaps? For many parents, it seems that acknowledging mental illness in their kids would be akin to acknowledging some sort of deficiency in themselves or their whole family. Combined with the stigma that used to be associated with the topic when they grew up, it makes for a very difficult mix for them to deal with. It's very difficult for everyone involved.
I have seen parents actively discourage their kids from taking their medication because, as you say, "they're fine now" and "they don't need it anymore", thinking that it was just a temporary issue and they can now get "back to normal". Of course the only reason they are fine is because of the medication so back down the slide they go slowly but surely...
It's heart-breaking to watch...
The younger generation probably needs to be sent to Indonesia to do some mining work and foot massage work to appreciate some things in life...
No wonder Lee Kwan Yew called this place the trash of Asia
This saddens me
Living with a mental condition is a constant challenge but with the right medication, support, exericise, balanced work/family life, management of stressors in your life, acceptance of your strengths and limitations, then you can live a happy and productive life. It is not a life sentence! You just have to work hard at it, learn to understand your body! Sometimes you will have your ups and downs but you just re-balance yourself.
You can be happy and love life!
There is still such a stigma attached to mental illness isnt there!
