Socialist Pigs - Carbon Tax Compensation

[bluestorm]

Is anyone else getting tired of these socialist pigs in government. Thank you Labor and Green voters.
While all this still has to actually pass into law eventually, with the Green holding the balance of power in the Senate from July we'll turn into a communist state in no time.
So the bludgers pay less tax, while the hard workers get taxed more.

Carbon Tax Compensation

the tax-free threshold for low-income earners would rise almost $9000 to $25,000 under recommendations now being considered by the Gillard government.

Julia Gillard's chief climate change adviser, Ross Garnaut, who handed his final report to the government yesterday, has called for compensation to be provided only to those on incomes up to $80,000, while higher income earners would have their tax rates or thresholds altered to ensure they did not receive any benefits from the increase in the tax-free threshold.

 

[NedKelly]

There is a fine line between being the worlds ultimate nanny state and and a socialist dictatorship. If this comes to pass the line will have been crossed.

 

[lizzie]

we get slugged with everything ... so nothing new here. hubby works 10hours a day, one week interstate a month, plus extra at home on the weekends so that we have a good income.

i'm working all hours setting up a new business - after spending years and years renovating our guts out

makes you wonder why we bother.

wouldn't mind so much if the carbon tax was being invested in the production of clean energy. what really peeves me off is that the money being raise is only being used to compensate "some" for paying higher prices due to the money being raise from all.

and how is that supposed to free us from carbon pollution? the providers won't care as they just slug a higher bill. the users won't care because they can either afford to do so, or will get compensated for using.

it just seems so pointless.

 

[topcropper]

Should be great for Canberra property prices. The obvious job losses that will occur outside of Canberra from jobs that move to China will be replaced by 20,000 new public servants and advisers needed to administer and run all the new bureaucratic bull dung money shuffling.


See ya's.

 

[Aaron Sice]

Top post TC and spot on.

Ridiculous. Last time I checked it was "the wealthy" employing people, starting businesses and pumping money into our economy, where the "battlers" were the ones racking up CC debt and liar loans.....but no, the "battlers" get all the breaks.

Make no mistake, the liberals will have a carbon tax too. There is a price coming, regardless of who you vote for, just one version will benefit the upper class and eradicate the middle, and the other will benefit the middle class by taxing the upper.

"truth has a quiet elegance about it. Lies need spotlights and makeup" - think Categate.

Time to pick what side of the fence you want to be on when the tax comes home. There's so much money to be made and a whole new economy under this carbon price scheme that it's inevitable.

So rather than focus on who's right and who's wrong, I plan to be focussing on ways to subvert the system and sit just outside of it, profitably.

I can tell you now, Labor won't be voted in on their agenda. The Libs will win power and implement their scheme instead in their second term, we will all "want it" and the middle class will slowly be dissolved.

And if you don't believe me, think of the most cynical outcome you can, because I guarantee that will be the way it goes.

 

[lizzie]

well said aaron. won't be long before we have "no" manufacturing in this country - the steel and metals industries are already struggling to complete with the high dollar, high taxes and lack of local demand. processing plants will head offshore ... some have already abandoned to new zealand. and i can't find a dammed supplier in australia for the very simple raw sheeting product i am after!

ah well - i hear the bahamas are rather nice.

 

[myoung]

The main thing i still cant logically get past.

What will it achieve to solve the issue (even if you believe MANMADE Global Warming is real)? Nothing, zip, nada, ziltch even the high priests of the religion like Flannery admit it.

Wealth redistribution and Govt cash grab to pay for their incompetance under the guise of political correctness.

 

[MissMuffitt]

I think a carbon tax will cripple the country

The government had better put a big cover over the whole of only Australia so that any reduction incarbon that we made will not just go off into the atmosphere and be redistributed with the rest of the worlds carbon INCREASES.

Who are they trying to kid here... do they really think that Australia will be able to make a difference when the rest of the world is not interested in doing the same.

(I personally do not agree with any carbon tax) We need carbon for plants to grow!! And it is not a green house gas anyway.

 

[Rolf Latham]

But all the hulla balloo takes the focus from the fact that our economy is a little broken already

ta

rolf

 

[Aaron Sice]

I think a carbon tax will cripple the country

The government had better put a big cover over the whole of only Australia so that any reduction incarbon that we made will not just go off into the atmosphere and be redistributed with the rest of the worlds carbon INCREASES.

Who are they trying to kid here... do they really think that Australia will be able to make a difference when the rest of the world is not interested in doing the same.

(I personally do not agree with any carbon tax) We need carbon for plants to grow!! And it is not a green house gas anyway.

it's designed to cripple australia.

Oceania , the Coalition of the Willing, is now complete.

 

[tom32]

Quote : Ned Kelly "There is a fine line between being the worlds ultimate nanny state and and a socialist dictatorship. If this comes to pass the line will have been crossed."

A welfare state does not have to be a nanny state.

I believe in progressive taxation and I suspect anyone who has been an investor in property in this country is a beneficiary of our progressive taxation system where even the poorest in our society have a living wage and can afford to live a decent life in a decent home.

A liberal society can still be one who looks after all.

The cost of the carbon tax will be borne by all in a roughly equal way. Therefore the benifit of the cash back should go roughly back to everyone equally. The best way of doing this is to lift the tax free threshold. I would prefer this then some additional tax benifit. Better we don't make the tax system anymore complex than it already is!

To simply reduce the tax rates through the spectrum would leave us in the situation that top tax payers would end up paying a little more for their carbon polution but as a result of the carbon tax back get a windfall gain and the lowest tax payers would get virtually nothing back but be spending a similar additional increment on their power / food etc.

This would send the finely balanced majority in Australia into an abysmal existance. Already they are struggling they don't need this as well.

After all of that I don't agree with Labors carbon tax nor their current trajectory around IR changes.

 

[Aaron Sice]

Wealth redistribution and Govt cash grab to pay for their incompetance under the guise of political correctness.

Climate policy has almost nothing to do anymore with environmental protection, says the German economist and IPCC official Ottmar Edenhofer. The next world climate summit in Cancun is actually an economy summit during which the distribution of the world’s resources will be negotiated. – Ottmar Edenhofer

this is why Australia will cop in the a*s*s.

 

[murph14]

It's also a question of what role Australia sees itself to be in. If we are seen to have implemented policy on the issue, that gives us a certain amount of power to persuade other countries. So, bigger picture, guys.

 

[luce.rocks]

I haven't really been following this issue in the papers. Can someone tell me how the government proposes to spend the carbon tax revenue?

I guess from the discussion here that some of it is going into raising the tax free threshold, but what about the rest of it?

I don't have a problem paying the tax if I know that the money will be spent on projects that directly benefit the environment.

 

[bluestorm]

I haven't really been following this issue in the papers. Can someone tell me how the government proposes to spend the carbon tax revenue?

I don't have a problem paying the tax if I know that the money will be spent on projects that directly benefit the environment.

About 55% of the carbon tax revenue will go to compensate the lower income earners for the increased costs. Some more will be given as compensation to some industries to help limit the damage to those industries from the introduction of the carbon tax. Maybe what the government does not end up just putting into consolidated revenue will see it's way into some green projects. But I VERY much doubt this given that the government is busy cutting green project as it is to save on spending due to their huge debt.

So in effect, a tax that will damage Australia will little effect, apart from some wealth distribution to the Labor/Green voting bludger types.
But you sound like a typical Australia voter luce.rocks. "I don't have a problem paying the tax " . Yeah, I got no clue what the hell this tax is, but the BS sales pitch had got me on board.

 

[FormerLurker]

About 55% of the carbon tax revenue will go to compensate the lower income earners for the increased costs. Some more will be given as compensation to some industries to help limit the damage to those industries from the introduction of the carbon tax. Maybe what the government does not end up just putting into consolidated revenue will see it's way into some green projects. But I VERY much doubt this given that the government is busy cutting green project as it is to save on spending due to their huge debt.

So in effect, a tax that will damage Australia will little effect, apart from some wealth distribution to the Labor/Green voting bludger types.
But you sound like a typical Australia voter luce.rocks. "I don't have a problem paying the tax " . Yeah, I got no clue what the hell this tax is, but the BS sales pitch had got me on board.

Decent summary but abit harsh considering she now lives in Spain and likely had no idea what we were talking about.

 

[SENIOR]

In her younger day Gillard was a Communist and hated American extremism

So voters have to get rid of her

Hate to say it but bring back Rudd

SENIOR

 

[bluestorm]

Decent summary but abit harsh considering she now lives in Spain and likely had no idea what we were talking about.

That's not excuse. Even worse IMO. Some expat who's fled the country, yet has voting power to screw Australia even more.
"No idea what we are talking about" yet says that she supports the tax and has no problem paying it.

 

[luce.rocks]

Decent summary but abit harsh considering she now lives in Spain and likely had no idea what we were talking about.

Cheers FL. That's it in a nutshell

 

[luce.rocks]

That's not excuse. Even worse IMO. Some expat who's fled the country, yet has voting power to screw Australia even more.
"No idea what we are talking about" yet says that she supports the tax and has no problem paying it.

Mate, I never said I supported the tax, I asked for more information. Yes, I said that in theory I didn't have a problem paying an environmental tax if the money went to environmental causes. But that's not a statement of support for the currently proposed carbon tax. I don't know if I support it or not because I don't know enough about it. Jump to conclusions much?