The Living Room reno at Blacktown with Cherie

Did anyone see the show last night? One more to motivate people to think they can make a quick buck by flipping........ without factoring in the full costs or pay too much as many people do, or overcapitalise.

details
bought at DOH auction $319k ... a bargain apparently!!! A valuer put $320k on it, so on the money, not a bargain.

Owners wanted to spend $24k on reno, Cherie convinced them to spend the magic 10% of pp which was $32k. I say you spend what you need to spend based on condition and pp, just don't overcapitalise!

End valuation was $400k, with $32400 spent on reno - with owners doing quite a bit of the work. (I assume this also covered furniture staging costs.) A huge $47600 profit on valuation ($48600 on pp). Now this would motivate anyone to do flipping ....but is that the real profit :rolleyes:

I punched the numbers into my spreadsheet which factors in about 98% of costs and based on 28 day settlement, 16 weeks to flip from settlement to settlement, 100% borrow costs etc etc etc. There are variable such as solicitor and agents selling costs, rates/insurance etc but my net profit for this reno is around the $18k, a loooong way from $48k for those who look at things simplistically. If they had spent just $24k on reno the profit would not have been any greater, probably less as the roc coating over the fibro was not planned.

Now Cherie is no dummy, she knows these figures ... but that would not make as good advertising would it .... (and I do take my hat off to her for what she has done over the years and enjoy watching/reading about her various projects)

A couple of things I thought were a waste of time, that god awful "red privacy framework" that replaced the verandah railing - it has now been toned down. I know Cherie likes to add a highlight such as a red front door but that was horrible. She also changed the side the front door was hinged on to open aginst wall - good idea, but she added privacy slats inside the loungeroom to screen the lounge from anyone standing at the front door ...which is what the front door swung the other way did!!! I have seen Cherie use these slats in other renos and I think a great idea, but implemented it here without thinking .... in auto mode!

BTW, I did not see any asbestos specialists on the job ;) The bathroom, the laundry, pulling off the external joiner strips over the fibro before roc coating which would have pulled out small pieces of fibro with many of the nails. The guy taking off the splashback tiles above the laundry sink and making a big hole in the wall must have been thinking don't put this on TV - but lets give them the benefit of doubt that the copper pipes in the wall were not original (no gal seen) and the wall had been resheeted since 1986.

I did some searching to see when the house was bought and if sold since. The property address is 40 Pank Pde Blacktown and shows it was sold on 11 December, and is now listed for rent @ $ 400pw. What happened to the flip??? Maybe they decided to hold and just suck out the equity. But it is now May, they have had holding costs for 4 months ....although they don't have selling costs so that saves them about $12k and 4 months is what I had allowed in calculations to settle on sale. I wonder what was happening in the meantime, can't find any previous sales adds for it since renovated.

If the owners are on this forum it would be good to hear the details and thoughts from their side (likely students of Cherie which is how she got onto flip)

Some links
before
after
 
I get from my calculator

Purchase Price: $319k
Deposit of 5% + costs + LMI + stamp duty + legals: $36k
Renovation: $32k
Total Cost: $387k

Sale Price at Value: $400k
Less Agency Fee 2.2%: $8800
Less Selling Legals and loan discharge: $1500
Less Total Costs: $387k

Net gain: $2700, and that does not even take into account holding costs during reno and settlement.

So basically put in 5%, do a reno, flip, and walk away with only the 5% you started with. Awesome strategy.
 
I get from my calculator

Purchase Price: $319k
Deposit of 5% + costs + LMI + stamp duty + legals: $36k
Renovation: $32k
Total Cost: $387k

Sale Price at Value: $400k
Less Agency Fee 2.2%: $8800
Less Selling Legals: $1500
Less Total Costs: $387k

Net gain: $2700, and that does not even take into account holding costs during reno and settlement.

So basically put in 5%, do a reno, flip, and walk away with only the 5% you started with. Awesome strategy.

Totally. Also, wouldn't there be a CGT on it?
 
OK I couldn't resist..... it has recently sold for $431K according to my sources :D and they are reliable. So, a fair increase in profit then :)

I didn't see the show (worked up til 10pm last night) however I do know the history and some details of this house. Not impressed with location (obviously) in this part of Blacktown but I believe a fair outcome for the seller.
 
Most people do Cherie's course with the ultimate goal of completing structural renovations in the inner west/coast areas. To get to this point, she suggests that you do cosmetic renos in the burbs and keep the profits of those until you have sufficient equity for a bigger (and much more lucrative) reno. In this instance it was a JV so the sole intention was to flip.

The red privacy screen wasn't Cherie's idea. The show wanted her to do something other than her standard colours. Within a few days of taping it was repainted to match the house.
 
I get from my calculator

Purchase Price: $319k
Deposit of 5% + costs + LMI + stamp duty + legals: $36k
Renovation: $32k
Total Cost: $387k

Sale Price at Value: $400k
Less Agency Fee 2.2%: $8800
Less Selling Legals and loan discharge: $1500
Less Total Costs: $387k

Net gain: $2700, and that does not even take into account holding costs during reno and settlement.

So basically put in 5%, do a reno, flip, and walk away with only the 5% you started with. Awesome strategy.

A deposit of 5% is not a cost which cuts into profit, it would be a part payment and deducted from $319k, but I will do JV with you anytime where I cover costs and split the profit with you :D

Costs will vary from person to person - sol costs, interest rate, agents fees, rates, insurance, etc but initial (excluding holding) are roughly S/D $9845, title tsf fee $204, sol buy $1000 = $11049.

I have not included any loan costs because this will depend on if any loan applicable, if a loan already in place and not specific to this house, if rego on title involved, if discharging etc etc. These will add to cost depending on persons situation, I just base costs on 100% lend as it costs you money if borrowing or loosing interest on cash in bank. Profit on $400k sell would have therefore been roughly around the $18k +/- $2k.

Jacque, thanks for filling in the ???? about the sale of house. I did consider it had been sold but no sales add found by a quick google and various free sites I use other than R&W DOH auction. It must be an O/O as not a good R/R as an investment at $431k buy and $400 pw considering the area.

A much better profit at around $48k in that case @ $431k sale, but this was way over expectations by all and not exactly what should be counted on.

Considering the house is one of the smallest DOH designs the full bathroom reno and roc coat over fibro probably was a big selling boost, .....and staging of course. I don't mind the exterior colour actually, the white trim works well although highlighting the small front windows on this house design which is usually a negative. Lucky the newish tin roof was the right colour, and the garden and privacy screen/diffuser breaks the front of the house and distracts your attention.

I have seen other flip properties sell for way over expectations to everyone's surprise - and with less done than I would have, but you just have to be lucky to find a buyer who wants it, may be unfamiliar with the area and values ....and may take many more months to sell and therefore eat into some of the extra profit. I have also seen these same people fall flat on their face with their next reno because too confident based on last flip .......and I know a few still for sale a couple of years later as the market has come back and their trailing price is still 10% above market (and now rented). Revenge on being outbid :D
 
Last edited:
I am impressed with the amount of work for the amount of gain. Would the fact that it was on a TV show help to increase the price of the property when selling?

I spent a lot of time in Blacktown in early 2000- 2006 as my sister used to live there and had a house which she rendered and did a reno on it just as the Sydney house prices were crashing - I think she eventually got $440K - down from an expected $500K at the time- I can't get over how low the prices have gone now and they are starting to pick up now but are not at the range seen in 2003 are they?
 
Back
Top