Where does talent really come from?

A recent comment by Kristine about success
Success is not about brilliance. Success is about perserverance. Hanging in there is of far more importance than any other single factor.
reminded me of an article I recently read that supports Kristine's belief with empirical evidence.

The article impressed me so much I thought I would like to share it here. My experience is that talent is nice but it will always be overtaken by perseverance, I have noted this over many years teaching teaching children chess.

Article source: A Star Is Made (Ny Times - sub required)


The Birth-Month Soccer Anomaly

If you were to examine the birth certificates of every soccer player in next month's World Cup tournament, you would most likely find a noteworthy quirk: elite soccer players are more likely to have been born in the earlier months of the year than in the later months. If you then examined the European national youth teams that feed the World Cup and professional ranks, you would find this quirk to be even more pronounced. On recent English teams, for instance, half of the elite teenage soccer players were born in January, February or March, with the other half spread out over the remaining 9 months. In Germany, 52 elite youth players were born in the first three months of the year, with just 4 players born in the last three.

What might account for this anomaly? Here are a few guesses: a) certain astrological signs confer superior soccer skills; b) winter-born babies tend to have higher oxygen capacity, which increases soccer stamina; c) soccer-mad parents are more likely to conceive children in springtime, at the annual peak of soccer mania; d) none of the above.

Anders Ericsson, a 58-year-old psychology professor at Florida State University, says he believes strongly in "none of the above." He is the ringleader of what might be called the Expert Performance Movement, a loose coalition of scholars trying to answer an important and seemingly primordial question: When someone is very good at a given thing, what is it that actually makes him good?

Ericsson, who grew up in Sweden, studied nuclear engineering until he realized he would have more opportunity to conduct his own research if he switched to psychology. His first experiment, nearly 30 years ago, involved memory: training a person to hear and then repeat a random series of numbers. "With the first subject, after about 20 hours of training, his digit span had risen from 7 to 20," Ericsson recalls. "He kept improving, and after about 200 hours of training he had risen to over 80 numbers."

This success, coupled with later research showing that memory itself is not genetically determined, led Ericsson to conclude that the act of memorizing is more of a cognitive exercise than an intuitive one. In other words, whatever innate differences two people may exhibit in their abilities to memorize, those differences are swamped by how well each person "encodes" the information. And the best way to learn how to encode information meaningfully, Ericsson determined, was a process known as deliberate practice.

Deliberate practice entails more than simply repeating a task — playing a C-minor scale 100 times, for instance, or hitting tennis serves until your shoulder pops out of its socket. Rather, it involves setting specific goals, obtaining immediate feedback and concentrating as much on technique as on outcome.

Ericsson and his colleagues have thus taken to studying expert performers in a wide range of pursuits, including soccer, golf, surgery, piano playing, Scrabble, writing, chess, software design, stock picking and darts. They gather all the data they can, not just performance statistics and biographical details but also the results of their own laboratory experiments with high achievers.

Their work, compiled in the "Cambridge Handbook of Expertise and Expert Performance," a 900-page academic book that will be published next month, makes a rather startling assertion: the trait we commonly call talent is highly overrated. Or, put another way, expert performers — whether in memory or surgery, ballet or computer programming — are nearly always made, not born. And yes, practice does make perfect. These may be the sort of clichés that parents are fond of whispering to their children. But these particular clichés just happen to be true.

Ericsson's research suggests a third cliché as well: when it comes to choosing a life path, you should do what you love — because if you don't love it, you are unlikely to work hard enough to get very good. Most people naturally don't like to do things they aren't "good" at. So they often give up, telling themselves they simply don't possess the talent for math or skiing or the violin. But what they really lack is the desire to be good and to undertake the deliberate practice that would make them better.

I think the most general claim here," Ericsson says of his work, "is that a lot of people believe there are some inherent limits they were born with. But there is surprisingly little hard evidence that anyone could attain any kind of exceptional performance without spending a lot of time perfecting it." This is not to say that all people have equal potential. Michael Jordan, even if he hadn't spent countless hours in the gym, would still have been a better basketball player than most of us. But without those hours in the gym, he would never have become the player he was.

Ericsson's conclusions, if accurate, would seem to have broad applications. Students should be taught to follow their interests earlier in their schooling, the better to build up their skills and acquire meaningful feedback. Senior citizens should be encouraged to acquire new skills, especially those thought to require "talents" they previously believed they didn't possess.

And it would probably pay to rethink a great deal of medical training. Ericsson has noted that most doctors actually perform worse the longer they are out of medical school. Surgeons, however, are an exception. That's because they are constantly exposed to two key elements of deliberate practice: immediate feedback and specific goal-setting.

The same is not true for, say, a mammographer. When a doctor reads a mammogram, she doesn't know for certain if there is breast cancer or not. She will be able to know only weeks later, from a biopsy, or years later, when no cancer develops. Without meaningful feedback, a doctor's ability actually deteriorates over time. Ericsson suggests a new mode of training. "Imagine a situation where a doctor could diagnose mammograms from old cases and immediately get feedback of the correct diagnosis for each case," he says. "Working in such a learning environment, a doctor might see more different cancers in one day than in a couple of years of normal practice."

If nothing else, the insights of Ericsson and his Expert Performance compatriots can explain the riddle of why so many elite soccer players are born early in the year.

Since youth sports are organized by age bracket, teams inevitably have a cutoff birth date. In the European youth soccer leagues, the cutoff date is Dec. 31. So when a coach is assessing two players in the same age bracket, one who happened to have been born in January and the other in December, the player born in January is likely to be bigger, stronger, more mature. Guess which player the coach is more likely to pick? He may be mistaking maturity for ability, but he is making his selection nonetheless. And once chosen, those January-born players are the ones who, year after year, receive the training, the deliberate practice and the feedback — to say nothing of the accompanying self-esteem — that will turn them into elites.

This may be bad news if you are a rabid soccer mom or dad whose child was born in the wrong month. But keep practicing: a child conceived on this Sunday in early May would probably be born by next February, giving you a considerably better chance of watching the 2030 World Cup from the family section.
 
A bit like Einstein's famous quote ~100 years ago about "Genius being 1% inspiration and 99% perspiration"....or something like that.
 
Andrew, that article was extremely interesting. It coincides with a belief I have had for some time in relation to my sport.

Quite often you will see young kids come into the sport, & percevere for years. These are the ones who end up (more often than not) in the higher divisions. They love what they are doing & it shows. Many do not have a "natural" talent for the sport, but they excel at what they do from years & years of practice. Some have had to struggle for years to get where they are. For instance, single mums giving up everything for their kids to excel in a very expensive sport. Others have to travel for hours, just to get training & do so for years on end foregoing any time for socialising with friends.

At the other end of the spectrum, you have the kids who start up with everything at their feet. They live close by, come from families that have the financial resourses to give them everything they need, & are very talented athletes. Some of these just seem to go nowhere. Maybe it's just too easy for them. Maybe they are good at everything they try, but just haven't found what they really want to do yet.

Of course, the truely great are always the ones who not only really want it, but have the natural talent as well.
 
Isn't talent a gift from the Intelligent Designer? (tongue-in-cheek)

I agree completely with Andrew.

IMHO:
We all start out at the same point - naked, helpless, ignorant and illiterate.

Certainly in certain cases there are some things individuals are genetically predisposed towards, and other things are shaped by our upbringing and early experiences...

But there's been enough 'amazing' examples of people succeeding without natural talent, without a family background or support, and despite all kinds of handicaps to convince people that YOU CAN DO IT

If Helen Keller can become a successful and talented human being, no-one else has any excuse.

*sigh* I see too much wasted human potential due to self-imposed beliefs and beliefs about 'the rules'. Can't do this, they won't let me do that, don't have time to become good at that.....

Some talent may be inbuilt, but most is learnt through experience and effort (perseverence)....in other words, what Einstein said.

I believe the truly great are those with NO natural talent - who become great through perseverence (contrary to skater).

Cheers,

Aceyducey
 
I would add that the whole philosophy of the self help and motivational industry (SHAM) that leans so heavily on everyone having equal potential to be wealthy or successful, generally fails to spruik as loudly about the qualifying assumptions it makes.

Qualifier No.1
How is Success Measured?

The definition of success is often a cloudy or single dimensional outcome, ignoring the wholistic, and what might have been sacrificed in achieving that success.

i.e. To many, success is measured materially and by how much public adulation an individual gets. Some, especially those who have never personally met their success idol, might consider a guy with a lot of property and charisma a success. This is all without knowing how the guy treats his wife, how much he prioritizes the character building of his kids, whether he ripped off people in deals, that he acquired advanced coronary artery disease in making his millions, and that he doesn't have the will to curb a lifestyle of excess to help his health. Some would consider Shane Warne to be a successful man. His ex wife and kids may not. Many thought OJ Simpson was successful for a long time. Though the daily papers offer poor insight into the hearts of men, until it is too late.

Many might consider the charismatic guy above to be more successful than a humble but highly effective school teacher, who spends her whole life quietly influencing students in the most positive way, cultivating their full potential. This teacher might 'persevere' so much with ensuring kids get the best start in life, that she overlooks the opportunity to invest in property, and therefore ends up living a modest, yet contented retirement in Smallsville.

But which of the above gets the most success kudos?
At the end of the day, that will depend on the values of those handing out kudos.

That out of fashion and to many, irrelevant book, the Bible, has an example of this: in reminding not to judge a multimillionaire who gives $10,000 towards a benevolent cause, as better than a poor person who gives their last $10.


Qualifier No.2
People love success stories, and don't like listening to people who make excuses about hard luck. Further, people don't brag about their failures.

Therefore, the media doesn't make heroes out of people who persevere and take risks, and in doing so, lose all their money and their health. In general, we don't think a guy who goes broke 'persevering' in toughing it out trying to make a go of an unviable small business, as successful, or even smart.

Though farmers can be exceptions in the eyes of the media... Ray Martin thinks a farmer is a hero if he goes broke toughing it out. And when a stressed farmer suicides, well, the public and the media don't seem to know how to deal with that yet- was he a hero for persevering? was he stubborn, stupid, fearful, and maladaptive for not facing reality and retraining earlier?

So the point of qualifier 2, is that 10 people could apply the same mindset and strength of character to difficult life circumstances. 9 might not overcome those circumstances, and 1 might. The public like to hear about the 1; the others are ignored, or considered never to have realized their full potential.


I am not bringing all this up because I am anti-success or against motivational mindsets....quite the contrary. I just think it is important to reflect deeply on what success is.
 
Mark and Steve Waugh - a case study in talent vs mindset

I guess you could find numerous examples to illustrate this, but I think the Waugh brothers are as good as any.

Both enjoyed spectacularly successful careers by any measure, yet one has a record clearly superior to the other.

As the official website of Australian cricket, baggygreen.com puts it:


Steve Waugh is the ultimate evolved cricketer. Thrown to the wolves at 20, he flailed at all bowling, sent down bouncers at Viv Richards, and tasted Ashes defeat. Then he helped win a World Cup and made 393 runs before losing his wicket in England in 1989 - but admitted that he did not understand his own game, and 18 months later lost his place to his minutes-younger twin, Mark. It was his catharsis.

Upon his recall, he minimalised his batsmanship, forgoing risk and waiting for the loose ball, which he still punished severely. A series of epic innings ensued, none better than his 200 in Jamaica in 1994-95 to speed Australia to an historic series win, or his twin hundreds at Old Trafford to turn the 1997 Ashes series.

He finally retired at the end of the 2003-04 series against India, bowing out with 80, his last shot an untypical heave to backward square leg.




Mark Waugh was one of the world's most elegant and gifted strokemakers. His game was characterised by an ability to drive, cut, pull and loft the ball so effortlessly that it could make him look disdainful of the talents of bowlers.

Critics took issue with Waugh's apparent loss of concentration at times and his capacity to occasionally succumb to lazy-looking shots. The weakness was on show most evidently during his disastrous 1992-93 tour to Sri Lanka when he scored four successive Test ducks, but it would be hard to find a player more difficult to contain when in full flight.

A laconic, unassuming character, Waugh announced his retirement from international cricket without fuss in October 2002 after losing his place in the Test squad to play England.




...............Mat...I...NO..Runs.HS..Ave.100.50..Ct

SR Waugh 168 260 46 10927 200 51.06 32 50 112

ME Waugh 128 209 17 8029 153* 41.81 20 47 181


Incidently, Steve passed 150 on 14 of the 32 occasions he scored 100's. Mark did it once in 20 times.


Two people who (except for being identical twins) are as close to being the same as each other (genetically) as they possibly could be.

Personally, I think Mark had more talent (and not just because of what is written above).

But Steve was easily the mentally tougher of the two.

M
 
Simon said:
I am with Acey - self limiting beliefs are probably our biggest obstacle to success in any endeavour.
And I agree with Simon agreeing with Acey... ;)

My personal re-inforcing ideology was that "you're only ever as good as you allow yourself to be". I adopted this after years of sub-par performance due to self-limiting beliefs and poor self image. That self image turned around when my wife kicked me off my you-know-what and forced me to leave a cumfy job on a mediocre income to go work for another company on double the pay. Scared the bejeesers out of me, but I pulled it off. That was a bit of an epiphany and ever since then I adopted that ideology and just kept pushing the envelope. Now I just bight off more than I can chew and chew like hell.

Has worked well enough for me so far...

Cheers,
Michael.
 
Dazzling said:
A bit like Einstein's famous quote ~100 years ago about "Genius being 1% inspiration and 99% perspiration"....or something like that.

Thomas A. Edison actually, and perserverance was certainly one of his qualities.
Einstein probably had the numbers round the other way. :D

It's funny has those with little talent who work hard and succeed are re-labelled as 'talented'.

cheers, Tony
 
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