Abbott or Gillard...?

[Macca]

Macca, If someone questions Liberals they are automatically commuinsts with allegiances to something else ? Should people question other parties besides the liberals though, surely is allright isn’t ?

Hi Jaycee, Not sure if you are asking me or Peggle as you have quoted Peggles post.

If me, then my reply is that I question everyone and I just wish others would do the same.
When it is common knowledge that the statement is not true it does get irritating when lies are perpetuated.

The Labor power brokers behind the scenes from NSW have ruined NSW by doing this and now they have moved on to the federal scene and are trying hard to do the same.

Labor was in power for some time with Hawke and Keating and they did some good things but they would have been chopped out completely in todays Canberra.

A government needs to actually do something apart from getting re elected, they are meant to govern this country. At the moment we get short term policy, like a month is a long term plan, dictated by the latest secret poll results.

I just want a good sensible government with policies that have a 2-3 year agenda not tomorrows news headlines.

I was disappointed with Rudd I thought he would do much better. I didn't vote for him as my local Labor bloke is just a yes man to the powers but when Rudd got in I was OK with that.

I thought Liberals deserved to lose, the implementation of Workchoices was a royal screwup and JH had kind of lost the plot a bit so OK give Labor a go.

Unfortunately the NSW backroom boys moved to Canberra when Rudd got elected and it really did not develop as expected or promised in my view.

I don't agree with socialism as I like having elections and the freedom we enjoy in Oz and it is exceedingly obvious that Humans are very lazy

If there is no reward for effort then things either grind to a halt, as in Russia, China and Cuba or we have to have people with guns and punishment to force people to work. We only have to look at China since the changes there to see that free enterprise and reward for effort is needed to make it all work IMO

 

[Peggle]

Just to clarify my "comrade" reference.............every time I hear Gillard speak I am reminded of the type of (extreme unionist) dialogue I heard for too many years working in the mining industry. One of these days she's going to slip up and instead of saying "friends" she'll say "comrades"

 

[jaycee]

You quote me but refer to Macca If you read back through this thread, you'll find where I already stated I didn't vote for either of the major parties

Sorry about that, it's what I call a mistake - something I accidentally got wrong.

why does strannik questioning th eliberals make you cll him a communist ?
supoprting communists - sure...

but questioning a non communist party makes you a communist ?

what about "unaustralian" is it unuastralian to question the liberals as well ?

 

[our obsession]

Maybe Peggle, maybe not ...the Independents have been elected, voted in by their electorate to represent them, on a political decision making/representation basis, you elect them (the Independents) as your voice, they make the best decisions they can after weighing up the pros and cons.

Bob makes a point here about it all in context:

HEATHER EWART: That would not appear to be a positive sign for Tony Abbott's negotiations. But then, senior Opposition figures point to the make-up of the three independents' regional electorates. In Robert Oakeshott's seat of Lyne, the National's presence remains reasonably strong, and Labor support at the election stands at only 13 per cent. It's a similar story in Tony Windsor's seat, where Labor support was just eight per cent. In Bob Katter's electoral though, the percentage of Labor voters is higher than in the other two seats.

BOB KATTER: It's never been a conservative electorate. It's always been a Labor electorate, except for my family. When my father died, it went immediately over to the Labor Party. Four of the six seats inside my electorate are Labor seats.

HEATHER EWART: That means he won't necessarily be listening to the Liberal argument that it would be risky for the independents to go with a minority Labor government and anger their largely conservative electorates.

It's just a proposition put forward by the Liberals.

P-R-O-P-O-S-I-T-I-O-N....only, nobody knows until it's all done and dusted.

This is great theatre.

 

[Witzl]

Just going back to the point that the Liberals didnt provide their policies to treasury for costing.....

.... but didnt they give them to a completely independant auditing firm for costing analysis??

 

[WinstonWolfe]

Just going back to the point that the Liberals didnt provide their policies to treasury for costing.....

.... but didnt they give them to a completely independant auditing firm for costing analysis??

yes. and the independents should have demanded Labor do the same, rather then give them to the leaky left Treasurer.

 

[Strannik]

I don't agree with socialism as I like having elections and the freedom we enjoy in Oz and it is exceedingly obvious that Humans are very lazy

i'm confused
what's one got to do with the other?

countries like Sweden, Denmark have socialism, and the quality of life is much better than in Australia, let alone the freedoms they enjoy

 

[jaycee]

i'm confused
what's one got to do with the other?

countries like Sweden, Denmark have socialism, and the quality of life is much better than in Australia, let alone the freedoms they enjoy

No they don't

Simply impossible, must be a complete fabricated lie strannik
You must be a commie
Probably an unAustralian one at that
how can even you even dare mutter the word socialism

 

[Strannik]

yeah how dare i
silly me....

 

[BV]

countries like Sweden, Denmark have socialism

Really?
Last time I checked Sweden had a democratic system
which isn't socialism but guaranteed certain social benefits (considerably better than our centrlink) at the expense of tax payers.

To maintain this system people pay high taxes and their socialist party is only socialist in name and nothing else.

Their socialist party is more like the labor party we have here and they get re-elected to power now and then as it happens here with our 2 big parties

 

[Strannik]

then go check again

do you actually know what socialism is?
and what's a difference between socialism and communism?

 

[BV]

do you actually know what socialism is?

ok so because we have a labor government and centrelink is providing benefits to people in need we have socialism as well?
Many European countries have socialist governments but they don't actually have socialism in the way I understand it

 

[Strannik]

almost any country has that

and that's not why Sweden is social democracy

i think the way you understand socialism is the theoretical model of extreme socialism bordering communism.

there are many flavors of socialism apart from that, and socialism doesn't mean no election

even communism has elections, even more than democracy does

 

[WinstonWolfe]

The diff between the Scandos like Norway and Australia is the former doesn't sell national assets due to a paucity of public sector commercial acumen and guts.

Sweden blitzes Australia as a value adding exporter.

Both Sweden and Norway run current account surpluses.
Australia doesn't know how.

 

[Strannik]

just another reason to vote socialistic government in

 

[WinstonWolfe]

just another reason to vote socialistic government in

Believe it or not Stran, I am not totally against some national ownership, as long as the enterprises are run efficiently and any spoils invested to grow national income, not shrink it.

I think there's a case for partial nationalization of health care, and full for roads, rail, airports, dams, power stations,public facilities like parks, swimming pools, museums, libraries.....many of the things Labor sold off to pay for their cr@p financial management skills.

Unfortunately, Australia has a track record of jobs for the boys.
I wonder if the Scandos have a term for cronyism.

 

[Strannik]

like... Telstra ?

 

[WinstonWolfe]

like... Telstra ?

when did it ever have competent management or service?

 

[Strannik]

that was example of libs selling national assets

 

[WinstonWolfe]

that was example of libs selling national assets

then it must have had inferior mgt to that in Norway and Sweden.

maybe the Coalition can look at selling off the ABC and SBS too.