Boomers go Bust

Growing fears over booming aged numbers

Australia's booming aged population will hit the economy harder than previously thought, halving economic growth in 20 years and leaving governments with a $2200 billion budget hole over 40 years, a new report warns.

The report, released today by the Productivity Commission, predicts ageing will open a "fiscal gap" of 7 per cent of gross domestic product for federal and state governments by 2045.

It predicts the average rate of economic growth per person will dip to 1.25 per cent by the 2020s - half the current average.

"Economic growth will flag as the Australian workforce grows more slowly than the population," the commission's chairman, Gary Banks, said.

He said the gap was "large and will require action by all governments".

The commission has canvassed increasing taxes to meet the budget shortfall.

Its report builds on one released by the Treasurer, Peter Costello, in 2002, which estimated ageing would create a federal budget gap of 5 per cent of GDP in 40 years.

By 2045, one in four Australians, or 7 million, will be aged 65 or more, compared to 2.5 million now.
Source: http://www.smh.com.au/news/National/Growing-fears-over-booming-aged-numbers/2004/11/24/1101219621151.html

We currently have a working population of 10M (round figures, ABS stats) - that's 50% of the Australian population.

We have 2.5M over the age of 65 - let's call them all retirees on the pension (of course it's an approximation, but we're also not counting all the other pensions paid to people who cannot work).

So 4 workers are supporting each retired person.


In 2045, using that 50% figure, we will have a working population of 14M

There will be approximately 7 million people over the (current) retirement age.

Using the same approximation, there are only 2 workers supporting each retired person....

Very tight!

Cheers,

Aceyducey
(who will be one of the 7 million)
 
Acey hi,
2045 :) I suspect I will either not have to worry about it (dead) or will be in an old folks home and that senile I will have no connection with reality and hence won't care. :D

The kids might have to dig into the family trust and do what all good decendants do and that is blow the wealth handed to them from the hard working generation the went before. :cool:

Norman
 
Thanks Acey

One of my favorite interests, from a personal perspective ( I will be one of the 7M ) and from a business perspective (retirement planning).

One theory I read is the expectation that many retirees will need to work part time, but with no forcasted jobs growth, that may just be turning full time work into part time work.
Another is that the baby boomers have considerable wealth (compared to the generation before them) and when they retire, will begin to spend this wealth (eg super), which creates demand, which creates jobs......although not a great help to our economic growth/jobs if it's all imported from China.
Perhaps we might see some tightening on tax on retirement income streams eg Allocated Pensions, which are zero tax internally, amd concessional on the income payments.
Perhaps the rebates that come with the age pension will be wound back.

I guess there's two major aspects to it
1. collecting enough tax to pay for services, pensions etc
2. growth in the economy, to maintain/improve the standard of living

Bumping up everyone's tax solves 1 (temporarily) but likely to have the opposite effect on 2.

We could have the potential of a broadening gap between the haves (retired baby boomers) and the have nots (overtaxed young/middle age workers).

I wonder which govt will be the first to have the courage to say "we can't afford age pensions at the current rate".


Garry K
 
I think the first target will be health. Restrict access to free or subsidised treatment.

The debate has already started in the USA where some are challenging Govt responsibility for the health of the community. Of course the health insurance industry has an interest.
 
I think we need more poulation growth at the younger age group.

I think Govts have to consider being more generous in taking refugees etc and encouraging familys to have kids. Age old arguements though, and of course the economy needs to be able to support population growth.

I doubt changing the tax structures will eleviate the probem of an ageing society effectively.

MJK
 
baby boomers

With medical knowledge doubling every 3.7 years, there are only two areas of medical concern, heart problems which can be addressed by proper diet and exercise; cancer which can be addressed by early detection. Baby boomers having the option to retire at age 55 under current government legislation, something will have to give.
Obviously the government will means test the old age pension maybe to include the family home, especially with reserve mortgages a growing concept. If you can pay super up to age 70 then what is the next step??? Old age pension at 70. Buy more property...pay now play later

Bobby
 
Population is NOT the answer - participation & productivity is, according to todays Australian.

Of the three Ps central to this debate, governments cannot do much about one of them -- population. Even large increases in immigration do not slow down population ageing significantly. Major initiatives in areas like childcare and early childhood education would make it easier for women to work and have children, but they would take a long time to turn around the falling fertility rate.

But when it comes to the other Ps -- productivity and participation -- small changes can make large differences. If Australia managed to achieve continued productivity growth of 2.05 per cent a year -- the average of the 1990s -- rather than the 1.75 per cent assumed in the report, then the fiscal gap to be financed by governments in 40 years' time falls from 7 per cent of GDP to 2.5 per cent. This may not be easy, but it is not impossible.
KJ
 
Sorry to be political here, but this is one reason why i'm glad Howard got back in. Take steps now to solve/soften the problem so that problems down the line can be dealt with better.
 
qaz said:
Sorry to be political here, but this is one reason why i'm glad Howard got back in. Take steps now to solve/soften the problem so that problems down the line can be dealt with better.
There were steps being taken under Keating which were undone under Howard. A section of Health which was set up to look at aging and its health consequences was disbanded.
 
G'day

One of the main problems with forecasting is that the basic premise is that communities and economies will remain the same.

Our modern economies are really very short term models having only been around essentially since WWII although the shift in domestic economies started or accelerated after WWI, with the gradual loss of cheap labour within the domestic economies. Domestic as in internal to the nation, local and of course, within the home or neighbourhood.

This cheap labour is now divided between volunteers and off-shore resources where labour is still comparatively cheap - compared to our own local 'cheap' labour, that is.

The world economy has changed immeasurably in the past 50 years and will continue to change. Yes, governments must plan ahead, and this is one reason the Goods and Services Tax was introduced, to distribute taxation across income earning and non-income earning segments of the population. However, GST collection relies on the consumption of goods and services and although this then provides concession to people on fixed incomes ie if you don't spend money (except on essential items) you won't be taxed, in many ways this Tax can only be the beginning.

Apart from economic change in the broad sense, in Australia we also have a deeply entrenched 'Little Aussie Battler' culture where we have traditionally mostly aspired to proudly 'work for ourselves', a select group of large companies eg BHP or Coles Myer, or to work for the Government through the Public Service.

This has created huge disparities in retirement benefit, hence the introduction of the Superannuation Guarantee scheme in 1989.

This safety net, however, does not really provide for all the 'day labourers' out there and there may not be any effective way except a government pension funded from taxation to provide for this group over time. They will reach retirement age as their predecessors did, with the clothes on their backs and the money in their pockets and not much else.

Other countries with different cultural influences have had different approaches to the Pension Fund mechanism, and of course since 1962 the British Socialist State 'From the Cradle To The Grave' has provided many working or, as the case may be, non-working (!) models of how governments have tried to address the issue of residual poverty within the population.

From where I sit, I could probably just coast along for the next ten years then put my hand out for whatever will be the benefits of the day. But economic policies must not be decided from the example of the personal to the political. Western Democracy does not turn a blind eye to the poor and disadvantaged and we owe an enormous debt to our largely Christian cultural heritage in that attitude. No, this is not a political statement but stemming as we do back to the Romans and their inimitable work ethic and strict social structuring, then the effects of the Catholic Church, and since Henry VIII (let us not forget the world shattering effect of the Property Acts of c.1513) through the Calvanists and of course the stability of the English Monarchy and the Westminster System of Parliament we seek to not only proudly support ourselves while we can we make sure the 'Work Houses' are there to support us when we cannot.

We do not chop our children's hands off to make them better beggars, we make sure they keep both hands and we teach them to write to make them better workers.

So to mathematically project that two workers will support each non-working person would place an unbearable burden on the entire community and any anthropologist could easily demonstrate that when societies come under stress and as that stress escalates to duress, the society changes in a fundamental way to deal with that duress and to bring it back to within manageable margins.

The next fifty years will see the birth of the next World Economy model. Since the Industrial Revolution which, you may recall, occupied only about 200 years of modern history, we have changed fundamental economic models a number of times and will continue to do so. Evolution in Economics is the key to our financial and economic survival and if we don't evolve we perish.

Australia no longer 'rides on the sheep's back' as I was taught in primary school. We could probably in many ways be truly self-sufficient as a Nation, after all we grow our own food and produce fuel and doo-dads in abundance. There are some things, of course, which we can't or don't produce (F111 fighter bombers) and we need world currency to purchase these things, and so we must trade in the world markets and produce commodities which other markets wish to buy, and food is a good commodity.

And perhaps at the end of the day we shall return to Burke's Backyard as an economic model. The people will decide what they want and the demonstration of those wishes will grow from the grass roots level up, not from government policy down. It was always thus.

Oh, well, back to the QuickBooks and attending to my own micro-economic climate!

Cheers

Kristine
 
Perhaps the problem will be a big part of the solution. All those aging Australians will have needs, and providing for those needs will become big business. A lot of that business (aged caring) will be done by not-quite-so-old people, e.g. 45-60 year olds, providing employment for what is currently an employment deprived demographic. The emphasis in our economy might then change from a predominately goods based economy to a predominately service based economy.
 
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